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Foreign object dropped in Norge cylinder

DaveGibbons

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I am an idiot. right that's out the way! Whilst doing tappet clearance on my 2 valve 2008
Norge I foolishly used a pencil in plug hole to find top of piston stroke and unfortunately I must have had a slight angle and a piece of pencil about 30mm (inch and quarter)snapped off and dropped in. Cannot see it to retrieve so unless anyone has any ideas I am going to have to lift the head and get it out. no metal involved all wood .
I have bought new head gasket and relevant o rings just wondered if any Ideas or pitfalls before I take head off! Tried to fish for it with various items no luck. Plan is head up object out all straight back on.

Moral of story don't use anything that can break as a tool and is not flexible to find TDC!

regards

Dave
 
You will probably get better advice than mine but....... I'd pull the head. Depending upon the mileage/wear, I might pull both and freshen the top end. Turn a mistake into a bigger maintenance action that could be beneficial.
 
I would persevere , bring piston up in the cyl and try to either stab the pencil with a long needle like thing or try to get something to stick to it ... maybe chewing gum on the end of a screwdriver ...... seems a shame to pull the head , I know that technically it aint a biggie .
Whats wrong with using the timing marks on the flywheel to find TDC . When I do mine I just turn motor over until the intake valve is well open ( full lift ) and then set the exhaust , and viki verka for the intake . theory being that with one valve at full lift the other will be on the base circle of the cam:)
 
[Almost] BTDT. Quite literally with a wooden pencil. :cry:

Assume you have tried such workarounds, but ...

* Careful use of a "grab-it" claw.

* A grease-laden straw or the like to locate, attach, and bring out. [Would not any grease left in there combust harmlessly later?]

And, would not a light shot of compressed air in there while at TDC bring it round to settle near the plug port for easier access?

Best wishes,

Bill
 
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if it was a wood pencil with an eraser on the top that has a metal ring around it a small round flexible shaft magnet might get it done for you.
too late but next time A. use a big straw. B. watch for the intake valve to go down then come back up until it stops rising then put in the straw, continue until the straw stops rising, mark straw with magic marker for next time and then set both valves while it is at top dead center on the compression stroke. if you look into the inspection hole on the right side of the engine you will then see the proper mark. see your owners manual to tell what letter is for each cylinder.
 
Managed to remove virtually all via spark plug hole with a thin hook of metal wire and very sticky chewing gum!
It had broken up and some small fragments I could not recover this way. As only soft wood I took the decision to put all back together and blow the small fragments out! Took on 50 mile thrash and it is running perfect. I removed both plugs and checked electrodes all is well.
The old tractor is tough! We live and learn.

Regards

Dave
 
Managed to remove virtually all via spark plug hole with a thin hook of metal wire and very sticky chewing gum!
It had broken up and some small fragments I could not recover this way. As only soft wood I took the decision to put all back together and blow the small fragments out! Took on 50 mile thrash and it is running perfect. I removed both plugs and checked electrodes all is well.
The old tractor is tough! We live and learn.

Regards

Dave


It is better to be lucky than good some times!!;)
 
Decades ago (1975) I was working on my 1956 Cadillac and my 10 year old cousin poured a tube full of BBs into the open intake manifold. He almost did not make it to age 11. I had to pull both heads as I could not trust a magnet. His dad was not happy with me as I nearly beat him like the douche he was. To this day I don't have anything to do with him.
 
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