Slonkweed
Just got it firing!
Thanks for the suggestion, Vagrant. I checked it and there is plenty of oil, so at least I have peace of mind. Unfortunately, it also means I have a whiny transmission. Hopefully it will quiet down as it breaks in.
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My dealer is in Ohio while I live in Indiana, so I do my own maintenance. The owners' manual doesn't call for the gearbox oil to be changed at first maintenance, however, my kit I purchased to do the maintenance included gear oil and washer for the gearbox drain plug. The only way to check the amount of oil in the gearbox is by draining it and measuring the amount. This is why I went ahead and did the maintenance. Also, I wanted the 75W140 in there, instead of the 90 weight sent in the kit. I filled the gearbox with 690-700cc. Works good, lasts a long time. Been reading on Avrider forum about several reports of gearboxes being under-filled on the V85 models. Sucks that you can't trust the manufacturer to do the right thing, both in preparation of the bike and standing behind their product. A shame 'cause I really like this motorbike...
There was a factory service bulletin that came out reducing the diff oil amount to 160cc.Taken from the V85TT service manual:
Engine oil change and oil filter replacement: 1760 cm³ (107.40 cu.in)
Gearbox oil 700 cm³ (42.72 cu in)
Bevel gear set oil 180 cm³ (10.98 cu.in)
Castrol oils:
Engine oil 10W-60 Synthetic based lubricant SAE 10W 60; JASO MA, MA2; API SG
Gearboxes and bevel transmissions 75W-140 Synthetic lubricant SAE 75W-140 - API GL5
Or 85W-140 in both gearbox and bevel transmission if Castrol oils aren't readily available.
According to my owners manual, both gearbox and final drive call for 75W140. Page 246.Gear box should have 75W90 and the rear drive the 85W140.
According to my owners manual, both gearbox and final drive call for 75W140. Page 246.
Can't go wrong using what the manufacturer recommends. I used it in my BMW gearbox as well as my Harley-Davidsons with no adverse affects. It seems to shift better also. Use what you want; that's what I do.75W140 seems a bit thick for a gearbox. Don't doubt that is what the manual says but it just doesn't seen right. All the other small blocks used the 85W140 in the rear drive and 75W90 in the gearbox. Heck my 94 year old car uses 85W140 in the rear end as it is about equivalent to the old 600W oil.
Hi John,
This thread has me worried because I just picked up my new V85TT on Saturday, and it has a loud transmission whine in 3rd and especially 4th gear. I did not notice any transmission noise on the V85TT that I test rode, so I don't think it is a normal noise for this bike.
Did your dad's bike have a similar noise?
John,
Consider asking them who their agent is for service of process in your dad's state.
Seriously, that is available on the secretary of state's website in the state where your dad lives. Is the dealer located in the same state, thus making all of this easier?
This is all way below the intere$t level of any but a starving lawyer -- and there are a few! -- so I think you might be better off to look into using small-claims court for this.
If you or dad didn't burn any bridges with Piaggio or the dealer by temper tantrums -- tho that would be understandable! -- they might respond to a SCC filing.
Sometimes big companies blow it off until they get a default judgment served on them.
Anyway, appreciate your frustration. Best wishes with this.
Bill
Retired Lawyer
P.S. All of the above said, without regard as to "why" the dealer would do that, I suspect that the least expensive course is to accept the dealer's cost-sharing offer. [Edited to add to the P.S. why that "settle" may be the best option by far in terms of cost in dollars and PITA. Remember that old prayer/curse: "God, please give my enemy a lawsuit in which he is right." The obvious moral is that "the enemy" will plow resources of all kinds into the matter and, even if he wins, will enjoy a pyrrhic victory. In addition, while the "retired" in my sig above surely makes it clear, let me say directly that nothing I have said is intended to be nor should it be construed as legal advice, but simply offered by someone who has had experience dealing with government and corporate entities, all of which have deeper pockets than most of us. It's hard to out-attrit Big Brother. Again, buon fortuna with this. As I have bought five new Guzzis in past 20 years, I have had my share of headaches, but, overall, the joy has so outweighed those that I can (almost ) forget the negatives.