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GEARBOX OR TRANSMISSION???

PICKLEKOOKEN

PICKLEKOOKEN

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Okay call me a BLONDE I always thought that the Transmission Is the thing you shift and make you go faster :whistle: So Im changing the gear lube in the carc. I put in 500mls like the book said but it like its over filled!!! So myquestion is "if you go buy the book Captain is the gearbox really the trans mission and the transmission really the carc? IN American??? PICKLE :?:
 
yep, the CARC is the transmission and the thing with more then one gear (all being well :D) is the gearbox.

strangely some times an automatic gearbox is sometimes referred to as automatic transmission this side of the Atlantic, probably crossed over from the US

Art
Old England
 
500cc in the gearbox. 380cc in the CARC.

Buell refer to the gearbox/primary drive bits as the transmission, and so would I. Guzzi-English is often.......quaint.

What Guzzi call the transmission (The CARC) I'd have called the final-drive unit.
 
PICKLEKOOKEN said:
Okay call me a BLONDE I always thought that the Transmission Is the thing you shift and make you go faster :whistle: So Im changing the gear lube in the carc. I put in 500mls like the book said but it like its over filled!!! So myquestion is "if you go buy the book Captain is the gearbox really the trans mission and the transmission really the carc? IN American??? PICKLE :?:
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The guys that translate the manuals from Italian to English use British English, not US English. This has been covered elsewhere on this forum. Thus the thing that changes gear ratios is the "gearbox", and the one that changes the direction of rotation is the "transmission". I struggles with this a little at first but got accustomed to it.
 
The “cheat” is the smaller volume of oil is for the bit that drives the rear wheel, larger volume of oil is for the bit between that bit and the engine.

Although to have some fun the usage of transmission and gearbox is correct everywhere except for US. You guys just love to be different :silly:
 
Transmission is surely all the componentry which transmits engine output to the rear wheel.

When we talk of transmission backlash we include all slack between the engine and rear wheel. Must be a clue there.

Of all the Workshop/Service manuals I've used, the Guzzi one for the Breva would have to be the worst. Not only for the language but for the information, and lack of information, presented. The best? The one for the Buell. It's arguably better than the bike itself! You could argue that the quality of the manual is indicative of how much it'll be needed, but I'd prefer to think it's indicative of the quality of the bike it relates to.
 
GrahamNZ said:
Transmission is surely all the componentry which transmits engine output to the rear wheel.

When we talk of transmission backlash we include all slack between the engine and rear wheel. Must be a clue there.

Of all the Workshop/Service manuals I've used, the Guzzi one for the Breva would have to be the worst. Not only for the language but for the information, and lack of information, presented. The best? The one for the Buell. It's arguably better than the bike itself! You could argue that the quality of the manual is indicative of how much it'll be needed, but I'd prefer to think it's indicative of the quality of the bike it relates to.
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Graham,

I have to agree the quality of the service manuals for Guzzi has deteriorated over the last few years. I think they hired the guys from Ducati to write them!! (I worked on some Ducati's a few years ago, they had to be the worst, for a 20 step procedure, they may have written 5.) The Guzzi manuals at one time were very good. After the acquisition by Aprilla, then Piaggio, now barely marginal. It is nearly impossible to find the specifications you need in the service manuals. I've started making my own data sheets to go by.
 
You are all so quaint. I call it the rear end and transmission. I just love this board.
 
Quaint? Must look up the meaning of that word!

In the case of the current Guzzis, finding a name for the bit where the rear wheel bolts on has been made easier by CARC being stamped boldly (And proudly?) on the face of it.

Over time I've often been asked what I prefer as the ultimate final drive system, and having had the lot, I'd opt for an enclosed toothed belt. The belt on my Buell is rated for the life of the bike, (?) requires no maintenance, is quiet, clean, light, and backlash-free. Not fully enclosed in stock form unfortunately, so a stone can get in and cause damage. I've added to the stock guarding to make the belt effectively fully enclosed because I often ride over gravel surfaces.

The weight of the CARC is HUGE. Add that to the HEAVY swinging arm and it's a wonder the rear suspension copes with the ENORMOUS unsprung weight as well as it does. Is there any serious GP bike currently running shaft drive? No. And the reasons are many. The CARC system does look good though!
 
Graham, I guess it would mean "cute" or "charmingly unusual". That last one does not sound very nice though. "Unusual" is usually not a compliment. Though I have been told that I ride an "unusual" bike... and I did like that.

My HD Road King and Buell 1125CR both have a rear belt. I have never had a problem with any of the belts I've had. That said... I've also never had a problem with any chain or shaft final drive either. I do like the looks of the drive system on my Sport though.
 
guzzi4life said:
My HD Road King and Buell 1125CR both have a rear belt. I have never had a problem with any of the belts I've had. That said... I've also never had a problem with any chain or shaft final drive either. I do like the looks of the drive system on my Sport though.
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Lucky man!
I've broken chains, admittedly pre O-ring days. The CARCs on modern Guzzis have had their share of bearing and oilseal problems. My new ST1100 Honda had a casting hole in it which seeped oil when hot. Buells pre 2005 were infamous for belt failures. I've replaced two on friends' bikes. The later belts do seem a lot better. Why I like the belt enclosed is because riding over gravel surfaces is unavoidable here, and new chipseal has a habit of sticking to things! One bike of mine (A home-built effort) had an enclosed duplex chain which worked better than most chains in that it ran very smoothly and didn't make a mess. That was pre toothed belt days though, or I'd have taken that route.
 
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