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Noisy Griso

well guys the bike is still at the dealers needing the right side cam and followers been there about month and a half now still no parts for it though it is being done under warranty as its 9000 miles and has had one cam set replaced before by this dealer must have had the same soft parts fitted on the recall

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siataukreg said:
My 8v just started a heavy clanking on the right cyl today comes and goes and is defo top end cam/followers been told by dealers its a common thing with them mine has supposed to have had the recall done at 600 miles its got 9000 on it now also the cat in the std exhaust has fallen out into the can so rumbles i have now removed the can and fitted a GPR can its been on one day and the engine pops great or what
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If he has so little faith in the product he sells why does he bloody bother???? Cam/Tappet failures areNOTcommon and nver have been, even in the VIN# range where the recall was ordered there were many machines that never failed. I have yet to hear of a single machine that has had the tappet replacement done by a COMPETENT mechanic, with the correct parts that has failed. I HAVE, unfortunately, heard of several failures after replacement but I'm pretty sure they were the result of the failed parts being replaced by identical ones ordered because the parts wombat or mechanic either doesn't bother to read information on the servicemotoguzzi site or simply ordered the earlier parts when they were still listed because they were the 'first cab off the rank' in the parts list.

The situation in the UK seems particularly bad with the local importer seeminly dumping long-time *enthusiast* dealers and appointing any old charlatan with a flash show-room and sufficient avarice to not be worried about poor service.

I would suggest finding a dealer who knows what they are talking about and knows the brand. Otherwise you'll just end up being continually disappointed.

Pete
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The bike is going in next week to the dealer who serviced it from new they seem to know what they are talking about just have to see what happenes
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Well ! Put off buying an Italian bike for years but fell for the Griso 8 valve 08. Bought in August 2010.
Speedo censor failure with 2 month wait for part. Warped wavy discs at 1st Mot ( March 2011 ). Then hideous engine noise. Taken to 2 dealers who didnt know the world is round (March 2011).
Finally Guzzi said it needed recall after one already done by Speedway at 600 miles (cam followers etc ) then said it didnt need the work.
Taken it to Motosport Aprilia (Wareham) on 7th April. Taken apart and needs cam followers etc . Still waiting for the kit to arrive from Italy (mileage 7000)
Steve and the Guys have been great at Motosport but what a liberty the Aprilia group are taking! Promises every week that the part will arrive . The group will fit free despite being out of warranty, but ?
Any one else had these problems ? Have missed the best of the summer probably . I can't recommend the Griso 8 valve as the after care is stone age.
Bromly HQ now say they are expecting the parts in July. This year I wonder . The bike is/ was my only transport . Any suggestions out there barring self imolation ? Petitions , contact the bike press , picket the UK HQ ? HELP PLEASE.e
 
Roberto,

I have dealings with Piaggio UK over warranty claims too. Amongst the correspondence from Mike Edwards their warranty claims manager he said all decisions about claims were processed in Italy. It made me wonder.....if thats the case, just what is the point of his job?

As for them dumping some well established small dealers in favour of 'supermarkets' with no specialist knowledge of the brand, their disregard for loyal customers who have been buying & riding Guzzis for many years, their reluctance to accept some justifiable warranty claims and their questionable ability to promptly sort out the claims they do accept.........Well it makes me think that just as Guzzi have at long last got a range of bikes that are getting good press road test reviews and attracting new customers, Piaggio UK seem determined to commit customer satisfaction suicide......and quickly re-establish the bad reputation they've only just begun to free Guzzi from.......and revert to the situation where it is only a handfull of knowledgable dealers and loyal customers who will keep the Guzzi brand afloat.

Personally I love Guzzis but in the future I won't bother with buying a new one. I'll buy secondhand & keep it running without any help from Piaggio.
 
Thanks Will . You are so right . I agree with all you have said and this echoes my own thoughts .
Piaggio have grabbed defeat out of the jaws of victory.
Italy do have a "so what attitude" on post warranty issues despite a product not fit for purpose .
I hate the bike supermarkets . George White will screw it up believe me.
My bike now 10th weeks off the road and counting ! I wonder if Prince Harry or Charles would have to wait so long ? Catch you later Will.
 
Perhaps rather than laying the blame directly at Guzzi's feet you culd look at your importer and dealer.

I'm half a world away yet I can get most parts quickly and efficiently ane we are a very small market and not *everything* is kept in stock. I had one customer from Ballarat with a porous cylinder head. Even getting one of those in only took three weeks! As for tappets? Ikeep those in stock for the cases I am still getting in of bikes that were sold by unscrupulous or stupid dealers who never did the recall. ANY 'New' to my workshop 08-09 8V I run a check on and if, as is sometimes the case, the work hasn't been performrd I'll do it. Checking isn't hard and

I'll re-itterate this as its beginning to piss me off.

I know of NO case of the correct replacement tappets having failed unless there was either an incompetent installer or the wrong parts were used.

As far as I'm concerned? There WAS a problem. While it took fartoo long to be acknowledged and addressed it has now been sorted as long as the job is done right with the right parts. Unil I see failures occuring repeatedlt when the job has been done right I'm treating the issue as sorted.

Pete
 
Pete, is there a way to check the cam followers (aka tappets) without removing the cam box? Peeking from the side?

I will check the valve clearances soon and would like to take the opportunity to confirm mine has fitted with the revised cam followers.

Phang
 
Pete,
I deal with an Italian Guy called Laslo who is the warranty gofer at Piaggio HQ in Bromley UK..He states the supplier of the new parts is at fault in Italy.
Apparently there are none in both Italy and the UK ...
I am no mechanic just someone who wants a reliable bike.
You sound informed and competent Pete. Here in the UK I am finding it near impossible to get any SATISFACTION..
No one here has the parts...
I have missed the summer which is Crap here any way but ...
Just another whining pom Pete?
Love the bike hate the niggles and aftercare here in the UK..
 

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Pete,
Can I get these parts made myself?
Probably cost the UK defect!
Can you advise how I can get things moving ?
Cheers :evil:
 
Look, I really can't tell from those photo's if they are the 'Old' or 'New' type tappets, nor do I know anything about the camshafts as i can't measure them for length and/or ascertain if they were installed correctly or what sort of ol was used or if they had any assembley lube applied when they were put into service. There are just so many factors involved it's impossible to give any real insight as to what my or may not of happened.

As I keep trying to say Ihave yet to see evidence of further failures on machines that have had the CORRECT parts installed competently on motors that haven't previously failed. There may be a problem still. But if so I have yet to see it and until I do I have to rely on what I have observed to be the case which is that NONE of the bikes I, or people I trust to do the job right, have failed after the recall work has been carried out and that includes my own, very early, and now comparatively high-mileage vehicle which lives in an environment that can be VERY hostile for an oil/air cooled motor, (Temperatures over 40*C in summer and as low as -8C in winter and dusty as all get-out!) and it certainly isn't babied either in riding or servicing. I almost wish mine would go wrong! At least then I'd have a guinea-pig to work with to try and start to get to the bottom of the problem if it exists but my and my customer's bikes remain obstinately, bullet-proof and reliable! Sorry.

Pete
 
Ok Pete .
I have a grasp of the technical issues and will have to put my faith in Motosport Aprillia based in Wareham Dorset UK .
I wish you could service the thing, replace the parts and complete the work.
The issue is the wait for parts via Italy.
I am not disagreeing with any thing you have written, on the subject, incidentally.
I will check out with the dealer the information You have proffered.
Cheers.
 
I struggle to believe there is no problem with the 8v motor.

Mine failed before the recall. It had the recall parts fitted and it failed again. A further set of new parts were fitted, and this failed in the early Spring. Guzzi have said that they will do it (out of warranty) and have said that new parts and a high flow oil pump will do it - but I have been waiting for months. My bike, which I bought new in 08, has been off the road with cam problems for over a year on aggregate. Local dealers seem to be overwhelmed with 8v motors with cam issues.
 
How do you explain then, that some of us have had Zero, nada, problems on our 8V.
I got about 23K hard miles on mine and this thing feels like it's still breaking in.
I blame the dealer on that one, they keep giving you the wrong cams or something...
I feel for you Sir... 3rd set of cams and still no fix, geez!
 
It's not just this bike, though. It seems the local dealers are doing little other than cams on 8vs. We have double and triple checked part numbers, and the cams and followers fitted were the ones supplied for the fix. My last set of cams lasted barely 4k miles.

I think the problem could affect town riders more. The oil pressure is pretty low when idling at the lights, or chugging at low revs. Bikes that spin at high rpm regularly seem to survive.
 
Third set of cams?
Should never happen.
Has the oil pump been carefully checked in case it is contributing to the problem???
Gordon
 
Gordon said:
Third set of cams?
Should never happen.
Has the oil pump been carefully checked in case it is contributing to the problem???
Gordon
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or the engine flushed and the OIL COOLER ?
 
I'm not sure if this "noise" problem is related, and I don't own a Grisso, but I believe the 8V 1151cc engines are the same or at least very similar. I've recently had the 1500Km service on my Norge, and have noticed a noise that seems to be clutch related, it disappears when the clutch lever is activate. The Guzzi tech at the dealership assured me that its quite normal due to the dry clutch used in the Guzzis, and its likely to vary with every engine. Does anybody know if this statement is correct?
 
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I'm not sure if this "noise" problem is related, and I don't own a Grisso, but I believe the 8V 1151cc engines are the same or at least very similar. I've recently had the 1500Km service on my Norge, and have noticed a noise that seems to be clutch related, it disappears when the clutch lever is activate. The Guzzi tech at the dealership assured me that its quite normal due to the dry clutch used in the Guzzis, and its likely to vary with every engine. Does anybody know if this statement is correct?
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The mechanic is correct the 2 V Norge and has a dual clutch plate it is normal, not related to the early 8V cam issues, all the 8V's are 1 plate and the clutch rattle is not there. If you do a lot of urban riding and waiting at red lights is the norm then leave it in neutral with the clutch lever out prevents all the bits in the clutch housing from banging against each other ( the rattle).


Too bad Sandy let an internet discussion board dissuade him from a great bike, I have an 11' Griso SE, Let me re praise that, an awesome motor cycle. Sandy if you live in the US, The issue 's on the 8V's you read here is almost non existent especially on a 2010 and up model years.
 
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