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Stelvio rear wheel - loose spokes ????

Still nothing happening, tyre still on rim, rim still got loose spokes, rim still on bike, bike still at dealers, dealer still can't tell me what's happening, owner still none the wiser, Bank Holiday Weekend here soon too

I can feel a major fallout coming soon.

Also how the f$$k can replacement wheels cost more than 20% of the cost of a new bike, just saying like
 
bigkev said:
Also how the f$$k can replacement wheels cost more than 20% of the cost of a new bike, just saying like

I was in auto parts for 30 years both new car dealers and independents. One slow day at the dealership we looked up all the parts for a 1974 Chev Impala. New from the dealer the car sold for about $5000.00 but all the parts priced out it came to something like $75,000.00.
 
bigkev said:
Also how the f$$k can replacement wheels cost more than 20% of the cost of a new bike, just saying like

I just changed my wheels for cast ones (Alpina rims had started corroding and the rusty spokes were just depressing me too much) - £165 each. Bloody bargain! Spoked ones are specialist though, so they command high prices, then add in a longer supply chain with everyone's 10% or whatever - you end up with a problem. And Alpina can't supply bits for them either, I think their supply contract has a mafia-esque equine extremity clause in it.

I hope they sort it out for you pronto!
 
bigkev said:
Still nothing happening, tyre still on rim, rim still got loose spokes, rim still on bike, bike still at dealers, dealer still can't tell me what's happening, owner still none the wiser, Bank Holiday Weekend here soon too

So the dealer hasn't got the wheels off and sent them to a specialist yet then? :?:

Who's the dealer?
 
Adam R said:
bigkev said:
Still nothing happening, tyre still on rim, rim still got loose spokes, rim still on bike, bike still at dealers, dealer still can't tell me what's happening, owner still none the wiser, Bank Holiday Weekend here soon too

So the dealer hasn't got the wheels off and sent them to a specialist yet then? :?:

Who's the dealer?


Reluctant to put names out, especially whilst still trying to get sorted.

Latest update, yep you guessed it - 'No Change'

Turns out Luigi and his buddies on yet another bank holiday, so no movement on warranty claim.
 
bigkev said:
Adam R said:
bigkev said:
Still nothing happening, tyre still on rim, rim still got loose spokes, rim still on bike, bike still at dealers, dealer still can't tell me what's happening, owner still none the wiser, Bank Holiday Weekend here soon too

So the dealer hasn't got the wheels off and sent them to a specialist yet then? :?:

Who's the dealer?


Reluctant to put names out, especially whilst still trying to get sorted.

Latest update, yep you guessed it - 'No Change'

Turns out Luigi and his buddies on yet another bank holiday, so no movement on warranty claim.


That is BS IMHO.

It is a spoked wheel. They have made them for well over 100 years. You true it and tighten the spokes, and you go ride. The dealer can't tighten spokes.... really....
 
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That is BS IMHO.

It is a spoked wheel. They have made them for well over 100 years. You true it and tighten the spokes, and you go ride. The dealer can't tighten spokes.... really....[/quote]


The dealer can't respoke the wheel as such, because every single spoke is loose it is starting from scratch, I can only find 2 companies in over a hundred miles that rebuild spoke wheels.

The dealer, and myself for that matter, is more concerned with how this happened in the first place, still just can't figure how every spoke came loose.

Can having a tyre with tube fitted(tube was fitted without my knowledge and did not show on invoice) destroy the integrity of the rear wheel ?????? As yet I have no answer from any quarter on that one.

All information will help

Thanks

Kev
 
You would think that but I waited months for the replacements for mine and the first time I cleaned the bike after the new ones were fitted I notice the front and rear were and 2 months later still are different matte finish front shiny finish rear WTF and MG are in drag their heels mode again MAKE SURE YOU CHECK DON'T TAKE IT FOR GRANTED and don't expect to hear from the MG rep anytime soon
 
There's no need to re-spoke them, the spokes are fine. The question mark is over the rim/hub and why they came loose.

A tube would run hotter and expand the rim, then cooling it might give some looseness. but that's a fairly airy fairy theory.

I would be tempted to just get 'em tightened and keep an eye on them.

Getting individual bits isn't possible and the wheels are supplied by an outside company and that always adds issues to the supply chain. Added to which, on the whole they are pretty reliable, so there's unlikely to be a stock requirement - so MG may well rely on Alpina.

Can't help feel that lots of time is being spent worrying about something very simple.

But I haven't seen it so that's an unfair call to make.
 
Adam R said:
There's no need to re-spoke them, the spokes are fine. The question mark is over the rim/hub and why they came loose.

A tube would run hotter and expand the rim, then cooling it might give some looseness. but that's a fairly airy fairy theory.

I would be tempted to just get 'em tightened and keep an eye on them.

Getting individual bits isn't possible and the wheels are supplied by an outside company and that always adds issues to the supply chain. Added to which, on the whole they are pretty reliable, so there's unlikely to be a stock requirement - so MG may well rely on Alpina.

Can't help feel that lots of time is being spent worrying about something very simple.

But I haven't seen it so that's an unfair call to make.


I agree the spokes are fine, the wheel appears to spin true so the rim should be ok too, all felt ok on the last leg of my trip after tyre fitting also, if all the o-rings have failed that could explain it, could there have been that much heat in the tyre? Who knows (as yet) ?

Still think it will be another week as next week is whit and loads of folks off for holidays.

Kev
 
Since most spoke wheels run tubes I would say running a tube would not cause issues on a spoke wheel. It may not have ever been tight. But if it was I would suspect that once a few spokes started to loosen (that can and does happen with spokes, you are supposed to check them) the looseness caused more spokes to loosen. Logic says it would be a self feeding problem. The looser the spokes get the more get loose.
Other then the labor to tighten the spokes I don't see this as a serious warranty issue.
If it were my bike I would either have the shop tighten the spokes themselves, or I would do it. Luckily for me both of my local shops would have fixed the problem first and then worry about MG paying them the labor to tighten the spokes later. A happy customer is a good customer.

Your shop seems to not share that view. Sorry to hear.

Also, Guzzi has much of their components made for them by others (like wheels). They are at the mercy of said suppliers and if the supplier changes the finish or does not supply a quality product every time Guzzi can do little about it. They are a small fish with little weight to throw around.
It is what it is.
 
GuzziMoto said:
Since most spoke wheels run tubes I would say running a tube would not cause issues on a spoke wheel.

Maybe - but this is a tubeless tyre in a rim designed to run tubeless (MT H2) - so the tube will be running a distorted shape and (in all likelihood) running hotter because of it. The spokes aren't the issue, it's the design of the tyre and rim that house the tube.

GuzziMoto said:
Luckily for me both of my local shops would have fixed the problem first and then worry about MG paying them the labor to tighten the spokes later. A happy customer is a good customer.

Your shop seems to not share that view. Sorry to hear.

Agreed there!

GuzziMoto said:
Also, Guzzi has much of their components made for them by others (like wheels). They are at the mercy of said suppliers and if the supplier changes the finish or does not supply a quality product every time Guzzi can do little about it. They are a small fish with little weight to throw around.
It is what it is.

Not really, the supplier (Alpina in this case) aren't dealing with Guzzi - they are dealing with Piaggio, the largest two wheel manufacturer in Europe - and they are both big and don't take crap from suppliers. But this is a one off issue, so that's not really the point in this case.
 
Kev, how does my stelvio have BEHR alloys then?? I would be tempted to get a finger dial gauge on a magnetic base and sort the thing yourself.....its rubbish to deal with such incompetent folk.....
 
Farway said:
Kev, how does my stelvio have BEHR alloys then?? I would be tempted to get a finger dial gauge on a magnetic base and sort the thing yourself.....its rubbish to deal with such incompetent folk.....

How do Jack, the NTX I have comes with spoke wheels as standard, I'm thinking the incompetence lies in the tyre fitting department, my dealer went down the warranty route as first option as the bike is only 9 months old, sorting the thing myself whilst I shouldn't have to is looking like the only option, next week will tell on that one as I'm not gonna be off the road much longer one way or another

Cheers mate

Kev
 
The cross spoked tubless wheel rims are a real bastard to true if more than one spoke is loose at a time and I feel this job a daunting task. I have been doing wheel builds for near 35 years and I stil find them difficult.
 
Guz5 said:
The cross spoked tubless wheel rims are a real bastard to true if more than one spoke is loose at a time and I feel this job a daunting task. I have been doing wheel builds for near 35 years and I stil find them difficult.

I hear what you're saying Guz5, sorting it myself means paying a spoke wheel company to sort it for me, I would have a go with one or two loose but not the whole lot

Kev
 
Guz5 said:
The cross spoked tubless wheel rims are a real bastard to true if more than one spoke is loose at a time and I feel this job a daunting task. I have been doing wheel builds for near 35 years and I stil find them difficult.
Hopefully the Alpinas won't be so bad, they're a more normal spoke pattern - from the well, not the side of the rim...

Hopefully
 
GuzziMoto said:
Other then the labor to tighten the spokes I don't see this as a serious warranty issue.
If it were my bike I would either have the shop tighten the spokes themselves, or I would do it. Luckily for me both of my local shops would have fixed the problem first and then worry about MG paying them the labor to tighten the spokes later. A happy customer is a good customer.

Your shop seems to not share that view. Sorry to hear.

This.................

Tighten the spokes and keep the wheel true, and go ride.

While adding a tube to the tire may make it run a little hot, that is NOT a problem. The only problem is, why did the morons put in a tube? Was this the same dealer that won't take 20 minutes to tighten the spokes and use a simple dial indicator to verify that it is true? If so, I see a trend here.
 
Wayne Orwig said:
GuzziMoto said:
Other then the labor to tighten the spokes I don't see this as a serious warranty issue.
If it were my bike I would either have the shop tighten the spokes themselves, or I would do it. Luckily for me both of my local shops would have fixed the problem first and then worry about MG paying them the labor to tighten the spokes later. A happy customer is a good customer.

Your shop seems to not share that view. Sorry to hear.

This.................

Tighten the spokes and keep the wheel true, and go ride.

While adding a tube to the tire may make it run a little hot, that is NOT a problem. The only problem is, why did the morons put in a tube? Was this the same dealer that won't take 20 minutes to tighten the spokes and use a simple dial indicator to verify that it is true? If so, I see a trend here.

Holiday weekend here so nothing happening till Tuesday, spoke with the dealer yesterday and still waiting on warranty claim, if nothing changes on Tuesday I will be going for getting the wheel trued and spokes tightened.

I will be checking with the tyre garage (tyres fitted 300 miles north of me while on tour, dealer 100 miles south) to find out if he fit the tube or was it already in there ? If it was already in there it was factory fitted, the replacement rear tyre is a tubeless tyre so why would he put a tube in? If the tyre fitter had trouble with leaking spokes and fit the tube he would have noticed that you can move every spoke and I would expect anyone coming across that to at least let the owner know !!!

Dealer wanted to go to MG via warranty as NO-ONE (that includes on here) has ever heard of every single spoke loose on a rim (9 months old, 4000 miles and never been offroad or abused in any way). Would you not want to know why after 4000 miles you had over 1/4inch of play at the rim on your rear wheel.

MG Warranty claim has stalled proceedings but 2 weeks is my limit and action is required next week.

Wayne, in your opinion do you think a wheel requiring spoke maintenance such as mine should be carried out by a professional spoke wheel type or anyone in the garage who fancied a go at it ?

Kev
 
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