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V700Steve said:Here's the latest poop, all USA 8V motors get new cam followers, if bike has been run (demo or sold) they get inspected, cam also replaced if found damaged, motor flushed, new 10/60, all done. Service Bulliten to come out w/ new parts soon.
I got to see the new Navigator Diagnostic software, works nice w/bluetooth, workin w/ Brad was a nice experiance.
Stelvio and Griso get the update , all USA 8V.
312griso8v said:I had a great experience with Moto Guzzi USA in NYC. The dealer I bought my G8V, when it was brand new, all of a sudden stopped 'being a MG dealer' so when I asked the dealer about the papers in my Maintenance booklet labeled "Warranty Activation"; he told me "don't worry about that". Not knowing any better and figuring that everyone is an honest person. I rode home figuring he already activated it for me. After I got home and read more on guzzitech forums, I decided to call a different dealership and have them check to see if my G8V (#111898) fell under the cam follower recall. Indeed it did fall under the campaign and no, it wasn't serviced. And no, the warranty was never activated. I called up Moto Guzzi USA in New York, NY and talked to a customer service rep there. He handled my case and was very informative, kept me in the loop the whole way through and from first call to warranty activation was only 4 business days. I don't have any complaints about MG HQ in the US.
Not sure what kind of negative experiences other people have had, but I can't say anything bad about Piaggio/Guzzi (except for that dealer, who isn't a dealer anymore.. for good reason).
-Phil
katacrak said:Hey talking to one of the best mechanical guzzis in Spain, told me that guzzi changed tapets material from the new reference and HD begins ....., is de four change, Guzzi know the problem and is working on a final solution may in the future again be another recall.
Talking to this mechanism, believes part of the problem is due to the entry of moisture into the oil, as is known this is deposited as mud on top of the covers of the engine near the camshaft and tapets, this in the other engines is not a problem because the trees are down and are the rods that power the valancin at the top.
However he commented that his experience is that it is normal to build up the mud without any input so obvious, and my question is where ?.....
even told me that the same oil it produces for its characteristics??
What I can say is that overfill the crankcase oil causes this come out for lower engine gaskets cylinder head before so the system is not waterproof and can cause moist air inlets of the exterior.
if the humidity is the problem, instead of dry weather these bikes have no problem.
Ay finally .... is very sad that every time there are fewer old users of these engines, and I think this is something that is going to pay guzzi, it is clear that without reliable people are frightened and also does not recommend brand. I think for the good of guzzi is an issue that must give priority solution.
pete roper said:katacrak said:Hey talking to one of the best mechanical guzzis in Spain, told me that guzzi changed tapets material from the new reference and HD begins ....., is de four change, Guzzi know the problem and is working on a final solution may in the future again be another recall.
Old tappets were chilled cast iron. New tappets are forged steel with an HLD coating. I think it highly unlikely that there would be another recall as if the original one was done correctly with the right parts, the correct oil is used and the service schedule is followed then the engine is stone axe reliable.
.....It is true that some support is a disaster and do not use the proper oil. I have a colleague who has a griso SE 2010 for the 1500 km oil change on the official service, and did not put a 10W 60 ..... to 6500 kms failure, and mechanical expert guzzi lifetime, this made the repair, and use the 10w 60, and has come to break with few kms. That's why this mechanism is clear that if the oil is correct, there is another cause ..... guzzi and also believe it is also why we are still working.
Talking to this mechanism, believes part of the problem is due to the entry of moisture into the oil, as is known this is deposited as mud on top of the covers of the engine near the camshaft and tapets, this in the other engines is not a problem because the trees are down and are the rods that power the valancin at the top.
There will always be quite large quantities of moisture in the oil. Water is one of the major by-products of combustion and there will always be some leakage past the rings. That water will tend to condense on theinside of the rocker covers as the will usually be bellow the temperature at which water will condense, especially during colder months. The cams and timing gear including the tappets are fed by large quantities of oil drawn from the sump and while you will, if you remove the sump, sometimes find small quantities of water the lubrication pump pick-up has a weir around it that will exclude watger quite effectively. As long as the motor reaches operating temperature and remains there for a while most moisture will sublime off any way and be expelled through the breather system.
ok I think so, after 5500 kms opened for check valves and there was no mud. to 7500 km nowadays the noise and vibration testing and had opened for lots of mud, as I explained coincided with cap rupture.
The nasty little condom over the spare pipe on the condensor box is prone to being holed by poorly routed throttle cables I'm told but I haven't seen this myself yet. Not a big deal I'd say. Pay attention to cables and fit a more robust cap!
However he commented that his experience is that it is normal to build up the mud without any input so obvious, and my question is where ?.....
See explanation above.
even told me that the same oil it produces for its characteristics??
How? Magic!!
ok, at first i think the same than you....and i dont now if are chemical causes for this kind of oil and capture himidity, ...i'm no idea.
What I can say is that overfill the crankcase oil causes this come out for lower engine gaskets cylinder head before so the system is not waterproof and can cause moist air inlets of the exterior.
Yes. Overfilling the crankcase will cause leaks! Usually the seals will leak before any gaskets though. The crankcase will always be running positive pressure in service though so you are NOT going to be getting air, moist or otherwise, drawn into the engine while it is running.
ok and remember when the engine stops, the low pressure inside the cooling effect and air enters.
if the humidity is the problem, instead of dry weather these bikes have no problem.
Using the machine for only short trips willbe more harmfull.
... it is a problem for me because 95% of trips are 15 kms. round after 8 hours of work another 15 kms. back.
Ay finally .... is very sad that every time there are fewer old users of these engines, and I think this is something that is going to pay guzzi, it is clear that without reliable people are frightened and also does not recommend brand. I think for the good of guzzi is an issue that must give priority solution.
Well? Stop scare-mongering. The 8V engine is as strong as an Ox. as long as it is understood and treated well it won't go wrong. I have 50,000Km on mne now and have several customers with similar distances covered. Some had the recall, others didn't need it, NONE OF THEM have had a single problem with their bikes, this includes several Grisos ana acouple of Stelvios. The biggest problem Guzzi have with the motor is that there seem to be people who WANT it to be a disaster and a failure!
My customers are all happy!!!!!
Pete
katacrak said:sorry do not know how partially introduce my answers: mines are and diferent colour and not alls its very hard introduce at all.
katacrak said:No worries. I only worked out how to do the multi quote thing recently! :mrgreen:
.....It is true that some support is a disaster and do not use the proper oil. I have a colleague who has a griso SE 2010 for the 1500 km oil change on the official service, and did not put a 10W 60 ..... to 6500 kms failure, and mechanical expert guzzi lifetime, this made the repair, and use the 10w 60, and has come to break with few kms. That's why this mechanism is clear that if the oil is correct, there is another cause ..... guzzi and also believe it is also why we are still working.