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2017 Model Rumors...

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by GTM®, Aug 31, 2015.

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My thoughts on this...

  1. 500cc - Good idea

    33.8%
  2. 500cc - Bad idea

    11.3%
  3. V7 850cc - 2V - YES!

    30.0%
  4. V7 850cc - 4V - YES!

    50.0%
  5. I'm excited about the new H20 motor

    33.8%
  6. I think all of these are silly

    3.8%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Mike ambitious scheidler

    Mike ambitious scheidler Just got it firing!

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    dude, reminds me of my 1999 Jackal, but with new modern or more modern stuff, you did hell of a job on it looks great!
     
  2. Calijackalbob

    Calijackalbob Cruisin' Guzzisti

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  3. Jenko

    Jenko Tuned and Synch'ed

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    Awesome looking bike!
     
  4. Rox

    Rox Tuned and Synch'ed

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    Yeah, Guzzi dropped the ball not bringing the Bellagio. They totally could of cashed in on the beginning of the retro craze in the US taking a lot of Ducati and Triumph profits.
     
  5. old moe toe

    old moe toe Just got it firing!

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    I believe bigger is better when it comes to cc's. However there is no need to add on extra bulk to a bike just because the cc's increase.
    Was watching with interest when the 1400cc bikes came out as I thought it was about time Guzzi upped the ante. Must say the bulkiness of them has put me off though. Surely they could have put that motor in a less unwieldy package. Harley has managed it with even larger capacity bikes.
    Perhaps the 1400cc motor in a Belagio type framework, with more forwardish controlls and good old footpegs rather than planks.?
     
  6. MotoGuzzi12

    MotoGuzzi12 Tuned and Synch'ed

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    Here you are...
    http://www.motoguzzitampabay.com/radical-guzzis-130-hp-moto-guzzi-cafe-racer/
     
  7. Steve Brookes

    Steve Brookes Just got it firing!

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    IMG_0946.JPG Hi Guys
    Cards on the table, I totally get why folk 'cafe' a Bellagio as it really does fill that gap. I was lucky to run a Bella in for a dealer back in 2007 for a week, doing 500 miles on it. Imported my Aquila Nero this year and have done 5000 miles on it across Europe.
    I've got Hepco & Becker bags, Agostini pipes and a Finebau ecu tricker box (standard UFI filter) and I'm done with the changes because if I caffed it I would lose the great all rounder that it is. I'm a small guy (5 foot & not much else) and with the MG screen and comfort seat it's comfortable for any distance, any time. It'll hustle through bends but you can tell you're on an "18 front-may just drop the forks 5mm in winter, it transformed my VFR800Fi (49.000 miles ten years ownership-only ridden once this year since the Bella arrived!).
    To get back to this thread, the British press now say what a great bike this is (as recent as last week in Motor Cycle News) as this Matt black retro thing is 'in' but in the day in the UK hardly anyone got it, except the less than 100 who bought one, now they're lauded!? In 2007/8'they were ignored! It didn't help that at launch Guzzi were comparing it to Harleys which pissed off some of the journos as that would alienate new buyers who didn't like Harley's and not resonate with Harley owners who will buy a Harley, irrespective of whether this bike is a better ride (and it is!!).
    So really it is simple, Guzzi know what's selling now is Heritage, even the Japanese have bought that ticket, and Triumph are at the vanguard of the European brigade. The V7 is a hit and so Guzzi have as many iconic models as anyone from the Le Mans down to 'replicate' which is getting back to being close to the 'caffed' Bellagio. Guzzi must surely know they need to make an old bike but bigger and yes, use this 940 short stroke because it is fabulous, big bike barrels on the small crank and I can't get enough.
    Anyway, I'll shut up but finish with saying this bike not making the US is a complete mystery to me and the only wonder I have is the emissions? It only just made Euro 3 compliance and now 4 is out, heading for 5; don't know how this compares to the US emissions but could this have been a sticking point? Great site, glad I've found it!
     
  8. Trout

    Trout GT Reference

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    Thanks for that post Steve I think you have nailed it.
    I find it curious that for years Guzzi has been the red headed step child when it came to journalists but recently somebody wrote an article about the "8 under rated Guzzi's".

    Welcome & ride safe.
     
  9. Steve Brookes

    Steve Brookes Just got it firing!

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    Thanks Trout, appreciated. Yes there has been the 'most underrated Guzzis' piece and a couple of months ago the same UK weekly organ (MCN) gave a prominent Guzzi dealer in London column inches to rave about the Bellagio and others.
    Additionally, there's plenty of group tests for the retro type classic thingies and the V9 gets in the line up every time-though they must only have one demo bike, the Bobber, and the press generally like it but moan about the fat tyres' effect on the steering etc. Err, test the Roamer then!!
    It would seem that some journos (maybe prompted by some enthusiastic PR-type at the factory), have recently remembered that Moto Guzzi has the retro cool heritage badge very much earned by way of the 95 years of history it has-there ain't many that compares, though some shout louder...
     
  10. blakbird

    blakbird Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Famiglia

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    Would it still be called a V7.

    Didn't the Moto company do something like this back in '76 and produced what is unarguably ( IMO :) ) the most beautiful production motorcycle of the last century.

    With a few cosmetics add-ons, gearing, timing and fuel adjustments we could be looking at a resurrected Lemans. Given the popularity of the V7 line it may be a logicl move. If MG doesn't do it, maybe an enterprising Moto Guzzi dealer and performance specialist coul come up with suitable kits.
     
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  11. boscoman

    boscoman Tuned and Synch'ed GT Contributor

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    I don't see any changes to the V7 motor. My son lives overseas & one of the interesting things that he brought to my attention is that for many new riders they can't own bikes with more than 50 hp. The V7 sits at 48 right now making it an ideal new bike for beginners.
    As for other bikes, hopefully a new liquid cooled motor will make meeting the new Euro 4 rules easier. Me, I hate dealing with anti freeze & have no problem sacrificing some performance if I don't have to deal with it.
     
  12. sturgeon

    sturgeon Tuned and Synch'ed GT Contributor

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    Well, the just-announced V7 III purports to have 52 HP ...
     
  13. Oz1200Guzzi

    Oz1200Guzzi High Miler

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    New V7 III now has 52HP - awesome! Sorry Sturgeon, I didn't see your post before I posted
     
  14. sturgeon

    sturgeon Tuned and Synch'ed GT Contributor

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    Awesome as in underwhelming? ;)
     
  15. JAS

    JAS Tuned and Synch'ed

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    Am wondering when there is going to be an update to the big block range.

    The small block range and California seem to have had a lot of attention over the last few years, however as far as I can remember there have been no changes to the CARC 1200 series models (apart from cosmetic paint and trim) since the Norge upgrade in 2012. Do they even manufacture any CARC bikes anymore? Will there be a replacement for the Griso / 1200 Sport / Norge / Stelvio range of bikes?

    Was hoping to see a le mans announcement at EICMA this year; with the caveat that it is more of a retro styled bike modeled more on the cafe style of the 70s bikes rather than the terblanche design from a few years ago.
     
  16. Daniel Cardona

    Daniel Cardona Just got it firing! GT Contributor

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    Hello To all

    I have a small concern for the future of Moto Guzzi, as many of you might be aware, Euro 5 regulations are not that far away and according many motorcycles news air cooled engines on motorcycles are getting tough to be still in production. as far as I know BMW representative's sad that there nineT should stay in production till at least 2021, there are solutions to keep there current air cooled engines to keep them in the euro 5 norms but what about Moto Guzzi?

    After some research on the net there's nothing about this subject mentioning moto guzzi and any plans in the future, but for example Harley Davidson are planning in some sort of hybrid, by adding some water cooling on there current air cooled engines, triumph sad that there current Street Twin still use some air cooling, that's why they still have the fins and have such a small radiator. but what about Moto Guzzi?

    I won't like to think or say that moto guzzi is about to get finished, for such a brand with great heritage is hard to think that they are doomed but I wonder what are they thinking or planning in the future. would the crowd accept to have for example a V7 water cooled but still having the transverse V? would any of you be willing to accept this? personally I might do as long as they keep the classic looks but I dont want fake cooling fins.

    So what are you thoughts about this and are there any news about what Moto Guzzi are planning to do in the future?
     
  17. Daniel Cardona

    Daniel Cardona Just got it firing! GT Contributor

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    personally i wish they introduce the Breva again, a little more modern version of course. 500cc liquid cooling transverse V with 50hp and less than 200kg wet would be that bad. of course I would prefer air cooling but euro 5 emissions might be tough and of course if they manage to pass the euro 5 with air cooling they would also prepare for the future euro 6 emissions and so on. either way I hope Moto Guzzi will remain in business for many years to come.
     
  18. GuzziMoto

    GuzziMoto GT Reference GT Contributor

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    I am pretty sure Moto Guzzi is not going away. The only real question is do they move to water cooling now or later. And when they do, will their customer base accept water cooling? Many of them will complain about it, but it is hard to avoid water cooling.
    Maybe they will first do a hybrid, using both water and air cooling. Or maybe they will expand the oil cooling aspect they started with for the 8 valve CARC motor (I know that motor is dying, but the concept of oil cooling was used more seriously for that motor, with a separate oil pump and passageways to use the oil to cool certain parts of the motor).
    Either way, I am sure Guzzi will be fine. It will out live its customers.
     

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