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Advice on Norge

Discussion in 'BNS12 Chat & Tech' started by Hinchy1964, Jun 29, 2011.

  1. Hinchy1964

    Hinchy1964 Just got it firing!

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    Hi all

    I have only just joined the forum. I could really do with some help on buying a bike.

    I really like the looks of the Norge and it ticks most of the boxes for me

    Relaxed riding style
    Shaft drive
    Comfy
    Adequate storage
    V twin :)
    Etc........

    Previous bikes wise I have gradually moved from sports and sport tourers to my last bike, KTM 990 Adv. This was to get me around Morroco and Western Saraha but has served it's purpose and I have sold it. I like the idea of the Norge because it seems a very laid back style which will suit my needs which are, general days out to bike races with my girl friend, a bit of commuting and a couple of weeks round Europe (I'm from UK by the way)

    So I'm nearly ready to buy one but have limited funds which will get me a 2006 2v and having read lots of info I am just a little worried about some issues.

    Suspension problems, wallowy ride, poor handling on bends.
    I'm 15 stone and my girl friend is 11. She will string me up for telling you that. But combined weight plus luggage???

    And

    Vibration through the bars at cursing speeds


    I am fine with other jiggles, narrow screen which can be replaced etc. But the two things above would not be so easy to sort out.

    So to my questions. Are the problems as bad as some make out. Is there a fix for the suspension, spring upgrade? Thicker oil? Re-valve? Obviously MG are acknowledging it as the 2011 has new suspension

    Has anyone experienced the vibration through the bars? Another fix on the 2011 so there must be some truth in it.

    Please be honest folk as there's nothing worse than buying a bike you don't get on with.

    By the way I am hoping to test ride one this weekend.

    Thanks everyone

    Ian
     
  2. Nick

    Nick Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    I have a 2007 Norge (build date Nov. 2006) and yes, the suspension is as you've described, but there are solutions and Todd here offers some outstanding ones.
    I have not experienced excessive vibrations at cursing ;) or cruising speeds, but let's not forget that it is a twin.
    Good luck with your choice.

    Nick
     
  3. Will

    Will Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Contributor

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    Corsa Italiana in Surrey sell a heavy duty spring for the rear shock for £58 which should help stiffen up the back end. As far as I know there's no problem with the forks but heavier oil might help. Vibration thru' the bars isn't bad. Probably only noticeable to someone used to 4 cylinder smoothness and certainly not as bad as an old Brit twin!
     
  4. Hinchy1964

    Hinchy1964 Just got it firing!

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    Thanks for the replies, much appreciated.
    I checked out a red one today and I'm definite now that this is my chosen weapon. Just need to find the one with my name on it.

    The red is nice as is the black. I'm not sure about the silver though.

    The ones I've narrowed it down to are:

    2007 Silver 5500 miles. £5,999.00

    2007 Red. 18,000 miles. £6,999.00

    2009 Black 8,000 miles. £7,500.00

    All same spec, 1 owner machines

    Can anyone tell me if there were any changes made between 2007 and 2009?
    About the rear spring, the sales man said the same about firming up with the stiffer spring but he said people don't complain so much about spongy ride but more about the centre stand grounding. Thats an easy fix, remove or modify. I wonder if the new stand on the 2011 would fit. MG have made it narrower and now secures inside of the mounting plates.

    Does anyone know if the 2011 seat (seems much more comfy) would fit the pre 2011 model?

    Sorry for all the questions but I'm sure we have all done it when considering our next steed.

    Ian
     
  5. Brian UK

    Brian UK GT Reference

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    The later heavier spring for the rear suspension will be a must, assuming the bike you get has not already been upgraded. It should be available from all Moto Guzzi dealers. I know Corsa have them in stock. http://www.corsaitaliana.com I weigh a bit over 11 stone, my wife under 8, and we have to have the back end wound right up when carrying luggage too. Mine is an 06 model.
    Vibration can be bad if the two throttle bodies are not synchronised, but this is a relatively simple operation for any Guzzi dealer.
    If you can get a later model, say mid to late 07 build, then you will get a few benefits, such as the heavier spring as standard. A few other little niggles had also been sorted out.
    The red ones are faster so I'm told, but mine is silver and quite fast enough. ;)
    Changes, yes access to the oil dip stick was improved, check it has the later push in one.
    I think the new seat will fit, but remember that seat upholsterers are probably cheaper, and you would get something to fit you. But try the one fitted first of course.
    Don't know about the new stand, but the easy mod is to cut down the rubber bump stop on the existing stand to a max of 5mm. This may already have been done on most S/H machines.

    One last bit of advice, if you haven't tried a Guzzi out before, make sure you have a long test ride, as they grow on you. So many people have said their first impression was bad, but within an hour the grin was from ear to ear.
     
  6. rturo

    rturo Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Contributor

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    Ian

    I had the front suspension on my Breva1100 sorted by by Gareth at ReactiveSuspension in York about 3 years ago - not too far from you. I know he had already done a Norge. I went for the cheaper option of new springs and let him choose the right oil, still don't know what springs/oil combo he used but the results were impressive - firm and controlled but comfortable still over crap roads... and much less brake dive which was my biggest gripe.

    Its a made to measure service really - he checked the sag with me on the bike and then did his magic, just needed the bike a day or two.

    I'm sure he said he had fitted cartridge emulators to the Norge if you fancy that route.

    Good luck with the Norge

    Art
     
  7. PhilM

    PhilM Just got it firing!

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    Not advice as such but a 6000 mile report. I got myself a Norge last year and have the same issues that concern you. Vibes through the right bar give me pins and needles in my fingers after a while but I started getting that on my Breva 1100 as well in the last year I had it, so that makes me think that I might be the problem !! I got Helibars for the Norge but that hasn't helped and neither did getting the throttle bodies balanced. The one thing that does make a difference is the type of gloves I use. My thin summer ones are the worst (which makes sense) and the thicker the better. Thats OK until you get warm weather, so no problem in the UK then :S .

    Regarding the centre stand grounding, I've played around with the settings and even with full preload on the rear it was grounding last week when touring fully loaded, usually if you hit a bump on a bend. That was with panniers, top box and a tank bag and we are a bit lighter than you guys. Although it was registered last year, it's a late 2008 bike so I'm not sure if it's got the heavier spring on the shock (what's the difference ?). It's in for a service next week so I've asked them to take a look at it. I've also cut off about half the stand stop but could remove a bit more I think.

    I've also noticed that the end of the side stand has touched down, not sure if that was me as it's an ex-demo. It was badly set up to start with though, almost full preload on the front and hardly any at the rear !!

    I hope that doesn't put you off, it's a good tourer.

    Phil
     

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