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Air cleaner.... Ugggggggggg

Discussion in 'Cal 1400 8V' started by roadventure, Feb 20, 2017.

  1. roadventure

    roadventure High Miler GT Famiglia

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    I changed the air cleaner on my 2014 California for the first time today at around 15500 miles on the odometer. What a huge PITA! For an item that needs to be changed on a regular basis it is a major production to remove and replace. I am sure I could design a top-load access that would take no more than 2 minutes to change. Why in the world MG decided to use an air box design that requires removal of both side panels, battery cover, battery, relays and misc other electrical parts is beyond me. On the bright side the original OEM air cleaner appeared to not even need replacing... :mad:
     
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    Tuono Tuned and Synch'ed

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    Remove battery and cover yes, but not the side panels or relays etc.
     
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    roadventure High Miler GT Famiglia

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    On my California I did need to remove the side covers and relays to access the lower air box retaining clips. Maybe if I had smaller hands with longer fingers that would not be the case. ;)
     
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    Tuono Tuned and Synch'ed

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    My hands wouldn't fit either so I used a screwdriver to unclip the lower air box retaining clips.
     
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    I just remove the side covers and use a (Ullman SW-10 - one of my favorites, on Amazon or eq) hook tool (below) to pop off and re-install the clips. No need to remove anything else. Agreed it is a poor/annoying design.

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    roadventure High Miler GT Famiglia

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    What bothers me is that it would be SO PAINFULLY EASY to make the design a top load arrangement if designed that way from inception.
     
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    roadventure High Miler GT Famiglia

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    Nice! Looks like another great tool buying opportunity. Thanks!
     
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    scottmastrocinque High Miler GT Famiglia

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    Moto Guzzi is like every other vehicle builder out there. There is very little margin on the sale of a new motorcycle, especially when there are dealers who are content selling for a few hundred dollars over their invoice price. So, the manufacturer realizes that their dealer network has to survive, so they have to make a living, hence they design machines which are not user friendly but rather practically require the services of a dealer due to the complexity now of what was once simple events. This is why I bailed on BMW and Ducati. If I had to pay for another damn near $1,000 service I was going to kill somebody. That is precisely the reason I bought my Stelvio in 2012 and why I refuse to pull the trigger on an Eldorado even though I really like the looks of the bike. I refuse to be married to a dealer service bay. I do all of my own work and have for several decades now.
     
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    I'm doing almost all work on my Touring 1400 and I basically learned motorcycle servicing essentials on that bike. I think you won't have any problems with Eldorado if you have a couple decades of experience on your belt. PDFs with technical details of all parts and systems are available, along with the service manual which is indispensable and extremely useful IMO.
     
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    I do my own maintenance as well, especially since the closest dealer is 160 miles away. As far as the OEM Service Manual goes... basically it's madding. If there are 8 steps involved you are lucky to see 2 of them. The illustrations are very deceiving as in the case of replacting the air filter which shows the air box with the battery & electronics removed. I now document each task I do with pictures & the tools I end up using to accomplish it. The next time is about 80% quicker.

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    Mike Tryon Just got it firing!

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    Yes, the design could have been more user friendly. I can't say I subscribe to the "Keep dealers employed" model of why things are the way they are. I must admit I am little surprised to see this much grumbling about something this simple. I for one enjoy the time spent doing maintenance on my bikes. The only things I have taken my bike in for was warranty work on a Temp sensor issue and having new tires put on rims. I wanted to watch the final drive disassembly, I had a feeling there was a trick to that plastic piece and wanted to see it done first. Taking out the battery and a side panel or two gives one the opportunity to clean out any dirt that accumulated, or to just spend some quality time with the bike while the snow melts.
     
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    north2south Just got it firing! GT Contributor

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    Would it not be easier to remove the air box completely and install an air filter like the one on GTM01?
     
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    I have done the 1400 air cleaner on my 2013 Touring a few times now. I have endured the poor access and contorted fingers, the maddeningly fickle clips. Last week, I tried a new approach. (I didn't find taking the side covers off to be much use). I practised sliding the rear tail of the clips into their grooves until I got a feel for how they sat when in the correct position. I removed the two upper clips, and the lower clip on the bike's left side. I was able to set the filter cover into place after a few tries without dislodging the right side clip, then locked that clip. The two top clips are easy. The left side clip required me to use my left hand, while facing the rear of the bike. Because I had practised, I was able to 'feel' the clip into its groove, then lock it down. No fallen or lost clips, 5 minutes, job done. This was an hour and 25 minutes less than previously.

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    Gave up on the two side clips after struggling for literally 2 hours to put them back in place as every attempt lead to them dropping off somewhere inaccessible. I used all the tools at my disposal. Took the side panels and the ancillaries off, for better access and still no joy. I think my fingers are too fat and too short. I now just wedge some small dense foam pieces between battery and airbox lid - time to remove and replace - 2secs:D:D

    I'm sure many of us have seen the German guy and his Youtube videos for the Cali 1400. They are very good (if only I spoke German) and there's several of them. This one in particular shows the guy wrestling with the airbox lid like the rest of us from 10:15 onwards. Remember this guy probably practiced lots before making this video
     
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    My thoughts exactly, which is why I DID remove the air box completely. See my Airbox Elimination post. Fun winter project.
     
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    after reading all the messages I decided to take a look at the air box. Totally agree on the difficult scale so I also went with just the top clips and high density foam stuffed between the battery and air box cover it seems like it will seal well thanks Paul for the tip.
     
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    Did you get your fueling fixed with Todd? If so how has it worked out.
     
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    Not yet, but going for a ride sometime in the next few days - then will send Todd my map and see what he says.
     
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    Please keep me posted. I’m very interested in how this works out.
     
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    Will do - I am very interested in how this works out as well?;)
     

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