Chris Wilson
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Is the Bellagio considered to be a Tonti framed bike?
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Bellagio.
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Cruisin' Guzzisti
I always thought that it was a CARC based bike looking at the swing arm
Yes, CARC for swingarm, only 1/2 the frame is Tonti.
Chris Wilson
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Obviously made to Tonti specs then modified the lower frame rails and rear gearbox mounting points.
I consider it to be a factory modified Tonti frame with modern big block mount points.
But, it could be argued .....
I consider it to be a factory modified Tonti frame with modern big block mount points.
But, it could be argued .....
suckandblow
Just got it firing!
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Don’t they class the Bellagio as a small block?
Lovely engine tho.
Lovely engine tho.
Nice short stroke. Like the newer 850 Griso motor.
Chris Wilson
Moderator
850 short throw crank, 1100 barrels and heads, same crankcase and gearbox as any other big block, and no small block parts fit the entire bike.
So that leaves the only other class available - big block.
Chris Wilson
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Tod, it's a ......pleasant bike to ride but no world beater.
If I were to change anything I would lower the primary drive ratio, as it is about 90kph is possible in first gear and there is no way in hell 6th gear can be used unless you are going down a mine shaft.
And somehow address the drive backlash, maybe back off the engine braking but I think that a lower primary would go a long way here.
Would I sell it? No.
And I have only ever seen a second one in 8 years of owning it.
Unique, crowd pleaser and strangely wonderful to ride.
Cheers.
Why do guys compare this motorcycle to that motorcycle and what is a “world beater” really? Isn’t that more a state of mind rather than a specification sheet?
Am I the weird bird because I look at motorcycles like I do my sons? I appreciate them for their unique gifts and strengths and I recognize their limitations and that’s ok too.
I find joy in each of my motorcycles. Truly. They are all “strangely wonderful”.
(That’s a lovely phrase by the way, Chris
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Am I the weird bird because I look at motorcycles like I do my sons? I appreciate them for their unique gifts and strengths and I recognize their limitations and that’s ok too.
I find joy in each of my motorcycles. Truly. They are all “strangely wonderful”.
(That’s a lovely phrase by the way, Chris
)Chris Wilson
Moderator
Scott, that's a throw away statement and only means that the world marches on and you are not going to beat it.
But I must admit that comparison to other bikes is hard to avoid because in this life we have choice, I am not forced to have this bike - I choose to .
And constantly musing about that bike accelerates faster and thus bike is more powerful is natural when riding in a group.
I could have any bike I wanted, really but it's the constant comparison and doubt that centres me back to my Bellagio.
It's made me a better mechanic and I 'understand' its language well enough.
So, would I buy a bike like the V100, yes, but would I sell the Bellagio, no.
That's the comparison right there.
Thanks.
But I must admit that comparison to other bikes is hard to avoid because in this life we have choice, I am not forced to have this bike - I choose to .
And constantly musing about that bike accelerates faster and thus bike is more powerful is natural when riding in a group.
I could have any bike I wanted, really but it's the constant comparison and doubt that centres me back to my Bellagio.
It's made me a better mechanic and I 'understand' its language well enough.
So, would I buy a bike like the V100, yes, but would I sell the Bellagio, no.
That's the comparison right there.
Thanks.
Not sure as to your exact meaning here and there but that’s exactly what I mean when I wrote in my signature
“Non-personal non-verbal internet communication often bewilders me.”
Enjoy. Moving on.
“Non-personal non-verbal internet communication often bewilders me.”
Enjoy. Moving on.
How would you compare the Bellagio with a V7 (say the latest one) if any of you had a chance of owning or riding both?
I am familiar with the visible differences including the rear suspension / drivetrain, the short stroke engine in the Bellagio, etc. Not sure how different they are to ride and own?
I am familiar with the visible differences including the rear suspension / drivetrain, the short stroke engine in the Bellagio, etc. Not sure how different they are to ride and own?
Chris Wilson
Moderator
As you say, the Bellagio is much more highly specified bike than any V7.
CARC rear end, hydraulic clutch, double disk brakes etc.
All I can really comment on is that the V7 feels smaller and is better suited to traffic than the Bellagio but I do a lot of two up riding and thats not something that I wish to do on something smaller
Oh, and the Bellgio seat is superb!
All important with the Misses.
CARC rear end, hydraulic clutch, double disk brakes etc.
All I can really comment on is that the V7 feels smaller and is better suited to traffic than the Bellagio but I do a lot of two up riding and thats not something that I wish to do on something smaller
Oh, and the Bellgio seat is superb!
All important with the Misses.
Thanks Chris,
That's more less what I thought. However, the difference of the (claimed) wet weight between the two bikes is only 8 kg, which is less than what I thought it is. A small gap that can be closed by installing a lighter set of pipes.
The Bellagio looks like an interesting machine. If it is equipped with tubeless tyres (I am not sure if it is), that would make it even more interesting.
That's more less what I thought. However, the difference of the (claimed) wet weight between the two bikes is only 8 kg, which is less than what I thought it is. A small gap that can be closed by installing a lighter set of pipes.
The Bellagio looks like an interesting machine. If it is equipped with tubeless tyres (I am not sure if it is), that would make it even more interesting.
Chris Wilson
Moderator
It's interesting alright!
Tubed front, tubeless rear.
I think that a standard set of Bellagio pipes weighs in at 15kg, you won't drop them for a rear wheel tyre change using only one hand!
The thing with the Bellagio is that it was Guzzi's last ditch stand at doing two valves and ended up an amalgamation of parts that just seem to work.
I have had more people giving me a thumbs up riding this bike than any other, could be out of sympathy - who knows.
Chris.
Tubed front, tubeless rear.
I think that a standard set of Bellagio pipes weighs in at 15kg, you won't drop them for a rear wheel tyre change using only one hand!
The thing with the Bellagio is that it was Guzzi's last ditch stand at doing two valves and ended up an amalgamation of parts that just seem to work.
I have had more people giving me a thumbs up riding this bike than any other, could be out of sympathy - who knows.
Chris.