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CARC and sidecar

Discussion in 'CARC' started by Brett, Sep 6, 2020.

  1. Brett

    Brett Tuned and Synch'ed GT Contributor

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    What is the general consensus on using a CARC chassis with a side car? Is it built strong enough to handle that?

    Brett
     
  2. GT-Rx®

    GT-Rx® Administrator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    Short answer, yes. I’ve seen a few of nearly every model.
     
  3. Robert Gibson

    Robert Gibson Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Contributor

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    Have a word with these guys, they ARE the experts.
     
  4. scottmastrocinque

    scottmastrocinque Scott Mastrocinque GT Famiglia

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    As a person with several CARC Guzzi’s and a Ural sidecar rig, I can tell you my opinion.

    The CARC is more than adequate in THE REAR of a sidecar rig. However, just like the photo Robert posted, it is the FRONT END that is insufficient and gets changed out.

    Telescopic forks simply are not well suited to the incredible stresses and special handling forces of a sidecar rig. Earles-style leading link front ends are much better suited to handling that type of load. You also really need an appropriate triple tree configuration.

    Running a sidecar is not just bolting on a sidecar to any motorcycle and riding off into the sunset. In order to perform correctly in terms of handling and tracking in a straight line, and remaining steering neutral, the car must be aligned side by side with the motorcycle and be toe-in a few degrees as well as also cambered out away from the motorcycle a few degrees. Getting this setup correctly is no small task! It’s not easy to get a car setup properly. It takes knowledge, experience and some sensitive “butt sense” to fine tune the handling of the completed rig.

    Most importantly is the understanding that sidecars are a $$$$ proposition. A properly configured sidecar rig is an EXPENSIVE setup. Period. There is no such thing as a cheap sidecar rig.

    Also, be aware. Sidecar rigs handle COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than stand alone motorcycles.

    I’m not kidding! COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!

    For example, when...not if, but when, you “fly the chair”, steering instantly switches from normal sidecar handling, back to counter-steering like on a standard motorcycle, and the second that car comes back down on the ground, the steering again immediately switches back to sidecar style handling. I’ve seen people lose control of their rigs and run right off the road across the opposing traffic lane in a second flat because they did not understand this phenomenon nor had they practiced the techniques necessary to handle this situation. It’s even worse for a left-hand mounted sidecar rig like in the UK.

    When you learn to operate a sidecar, there are hours upon hours of parking lot practice maneuvers to do. You also NEED to acquire, read, and practice EVERYTHING in this book.

    https://www.amazon.com/Driving-Sidecar-Outfit-David-Hough/dp/B001PQFI9G/ref=nodl_

    People who think they can learn sidecar operation on the open road, CRASH badly.

    I’m not sure where Edson is, but here in the USA, the guys at DMC Sidecars, are simply the definitive go-to people for anything sidecar related.

    http://www.dmcsidecars.com/

    Sorry for the long reply.

    Hope this helps.
     
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  5. Robert Gibson

    Robert Gibson Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Contributor

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    Watsonian Squire, I believe are the worlds longest established sidecar manufacturer/supplier so would imagine a good source of information. Hannigan Motosports (US) and EZS in Holland also.
     
  6. Raven

    Raven High Miler GT Famiglia

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    I would never, ever, consider riding a motorcycle with a sidecar. Nor a three-wheeler such as a Can-Am. As a very old riding instructor once told me, " I would buy a convertible sports car long before I rode one of those fu#%$&@ things. At least you can put the top up if it rains".
     
  7. Robert Gibson

    Robert Gibson Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Contributor

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    Fully understand your sentiments, however for those that wish to remain in the motorcycling fraternity and can no longer handle two wheels either due to age, infirmity or disability, a trike or sidecar is the only option.
     
  8. Moto-Uno

    Moto-Uno Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    As I lived in Ottawa for a few decades I can say that at least you can drive a sidecar rig in the snow :) . The Hull police department
    used them all year and I worked at the shop that serviced them , would take one home and ride around with my brother in the
    sidecar at night ( into snow banks etc ) great fun ! Peter
     
  9. Wallace J Gingerich

    Wallace J Gingerich Just got it firing!

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    The Hacks Forum on advrider.com is very active with some highly knowledgeable and experienced sidecar people. Jay at DMC Sidecars has done quite a few Guzzi builds.
     
  10. DeadEye

    DeadEye Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    The former Guzzi dealer had a URAL / Sidecar in the showroom, the guy I talked to said he took it out for a ride and was Zig-Zag-ing down the road - he said it would NOT just go straight !
    You would imagine they would be aligned to be *nearly* parallel - or Slightly converging WAY down the road ?
     
  11. scottmastrocinque

    scottmastrocinque Scott Mastrocinque GT Famiglia

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    Like I said...

    Setting up a sidecar rig is no simple task. It takes skills and know how.

    My rig tracks straight and true and brakes the exact same way.
     
  12. Bisbonian

    Bisbonian Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    I have a friend who just picked his rig up from DMC in July. He shipped is 955 Tiger up there, they built a custom frame and mounted a Ural car to it. His original plan was then for he and his wife to fly up then ride through Canada to Alaska and then home to Sonora. Of course that all changed but their ride home was still an adventure. He had a hack before so was somewhat prepared for the riding dynamics, biggest problem was that his stator took a dump on the Tiger. His fix was to just buy an extra car battery and charger, bungeed the battery to the car and then charged it up every night. He still needs that stator fixed but it was shipped to a friend in the US and he hasn't gotten around to getting back up North to pick it up.
     

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