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CARC Output seal leak

Discussion in 'BNS12 Chat & Tech' started by NPS, Jul 3, 2009.

  1. Gary

    Gary Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    Try Skf;
    61917 -- 1010021917
    Primary Bearing Category Radial Ball Bearing
    Type Conrad / Deep Groove
    Design Units Metric
    Bore 3.3465 inch
    Outside Diameter 4.7244 inch
    Notes Deep groove ball bearings, single row

    should be availiable from any good bearing supplier. The seal I asume isa standard vee seal, rubber encased metal witha spring shape retainer, also freely availiable.
     
  2. Brushwarrior

    Brushwarrior Tuned and Synch'ed

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    Thanks for the info, will start at local bearing supplier in Bury St. Edmunds
    and see what they come up with.

    Cheers
    Steve
     
  3. Gary

    Gary Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    Bearimg Services Limited (BSL) are the leaders in the UK, main depot is Halesowem , Brum, but have depots around the UK.
    If you have trouble call me, no probs.
     
  4. Gary

    Gary Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    For Steve, brushwarrior, cant post pic's in PM's





    Or here for that matter.....resizing lol


    See next post
     
  5. Gary

    Gary Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    Greg Field Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    Just another data point: At our shop (Moto Intl. in Seattle), we've seen several seals go on 30,000-ish mile bikes on which the bearing was just fine.
     
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    loftyjohn Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    Gary Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    If you buy the 61917 2rs 0r zz they are sealed bearings. Maybe worth a try for longer life. Remember to fill the seal, (85x110x10) with grease, and pop out the inner seal of the bearingto allow oil into the bearing. The outer seal on the bearing is left to double up. We do it on industrial gearboxes all the time.
     
  9. nel

    nel Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    Greg thanks for a dealers opinion, it is what happened to my bike. We need some helpful US dealers here in the UK. Our dealers are to expensive. The main crank output seal is similar to the carc output seal. I think my crank seal is leaking oil. The price from a London dealer to replace
     
  10. Brushwarrior

    Brushwarrior Tuned and Synch'ed

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    Gary and Loftyjohn
    Thanks indeed for the data etc.
    do have BSL here in Bury (BSE)
    At least i know what to look for now.

    Hells Bells thanks for the Italiano Rusky tie up photo.
    I can see the italian won. bigger lump of metal. lol.

    Nel i hope things get sorted allroight.

    Cheers
    Steve
    BSE - anglo saxon country
     
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    915 quid? What's he charging per hour?!
     
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    nel Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    Brevabrabo Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    Hearing these prices, I'm happy NOT living in England..... :)
     
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    Greg Field wrote:
    Good bit of info Greg, thanks. Course, if you see this leaking I assume you must check the bearing just to be sure for both safety & expense reasons, but reassuring to know that a leak coming from CARC is not necessarily a sign of bad bearing.
     
  15. NPS

    NPS Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Contributor

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    Thanks Gary for that bearing information.
    First time I have been back in 6 weeks since I started this thread.
    After replacing my seal the new one is not leaking yet. I have done about 1500 miles. Have checked for play every week with wheel on centre stand but can feel nothing. Im hoping this is a seal problem and nothing more.

    Thanks to Greg Field and that sounds reassuring,
    Monitoring the thread in case some members have more information in time.
    Nigel
     
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    londonrob Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    The seal on my 05 Breva leaked a couple of thousand mile ago so i changed it and checked for play in the bearing, all good.
    A couple of days back i checked again and there is a gnats todger of play while rocking from top to bottom, so i'm hunting round for a new bearing and seal too!
    Bikes done 20K miles and the black dust seal is fitted.
     
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    Rob
    Sorry to hear that. Sadly some CARCs which have been changed under recall still had dodgy bearings in them. Mine was one of those.
     
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    londonrob Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    Yes, its a shame but i'll be doing the job myself so ill know its been done properly, with a decent bearing.
    For peace of mind thats got to be worth it. :)
     
  19. pete roper

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    Rob, the bearing shouldn't be hard to find. Todd posted the # up a while back. I've got one in my spares stock I can hunt it out for you tomorrow if you want. Much cheaper than the preposterously priced Guzzi seal is the BMW one which is 1mm deeper but works fine.

    I did do a write-up on CARC disassembley and bearing replacement once but I'll be buggered if I can remember where it was. You want I do it again or are you happy to wing it? It isn't a big job but it DOES require a bit of care.

    Pete
     
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    londonrob Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    Thanks Pete, I've had a look for it but couldn't find it so if you could put it up again i'd be grateful.
    A few phone calls to bearing suppliers has got me a SKF bearing for
     

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