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Discussion in '24-7 Lounge' started by Wistrick, Nov 21, 2010.

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    Well, since ethanol has been in use here for ages, the seals and lines have been made to withstand it for ages as well.
    Most of the complaints/concerns tend to be about fuel tanks, aside from the aforementioned moisture/corrosion issues.
    Also, Brazil uses even more ethanol then we do. I don't believe you can buy gasoline there without it. Do these manufacturers not sell cars/bikes there?
     
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    Brazil has indeed been using ethanol as fuel for a long time - I learned about that at school in the seventies or so. But in this case I'm pretty sure that the vehicles sold there are adapted. We can also get "ethanol" fuel here, E85 (which is NOT 15% ethanol, but around 85%), and every pump has a clear warning not to put this in a non-adapted vehicle.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E85
     
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    My point about Brazil is that while they have cars/motorcycles that run on E85 or even pure ethanol, the minimum ethanol percentage there is 25%. That may take higher quality fuel lines and seals but it does not appear to take overly special considerations nor does it appear to be overly expensive. Brazil is not a wealthy country. Yet if BMW sells a car there it has to be able to run on 25% ethanol. In the US a BMW has to be able to run on 10% ethanol. So why is it that they can not do that in Europe?
    Clearly it is possible.
    In the USA ethanol was phased in over time. At first you had a choice, if you had an older car that could not run on it or you were just an idiot who did not understand it then you could buy gas without it. But it was phased in over time so that now there are few places if any where you can buy gasoline without it.
     
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    Who said they can't? The whole issue is about the older vehicles ... and about the fact that countries like France are trying to introduce the stuff ahead of schedule.
     
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    They have had plenty of warning. The writing has been on the wall for years.
    The manufacturers have possibly dropped the ball.
     
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    Its like Titanic - they will really notice when they 'll be sinking... (by the legal damages iceberg in the US)
     
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    Or, they've hoped to use their own lobbying to avoid the obligatory introduction of too high ethanol levels....
     
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    If the ethanol percentage in fuel is too high it can become corrosive to rubber and plastic. I don't know offhand what that ratio is but that is one BIG reason you can't run E85 in a regular vehicle. There's a big study being done by NASCAR(of all places) on the corrosive effects. Another reason that you may not want to use an ethanol blend(not that we're given much choice anymore) is fuel consumption does indeed increase. Ethanol may be cleaner, but it's less efficient. Logic says that's counter productive.
     
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    Particularly if you consider the increase in corn prices that poor nations cannot afford to be fed while we'll be evaporating it in our cars cruising around.
     

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