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Everything you ever wanted to know about the 1200 8V engine tappet failure but were afraid to ask.

Discussion in 'CARC' started by scottmastrocinque, May 27, 2017.

  1. not-fishing

    not-fishing Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Famiglia

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    What is missing from the "Everything you wanted to know" is..........

    Since CARC will soon not be sold anymore by Dealers;

    How much are (about --- within a couple of hundred Euro's, USD's, GBP's, Deutschmarks, AUD's, CAD's -- whatever, the internet can do the conversion) the A, B or C kits and about how many hours of (Dealer) standard shop time do they take to install?

    Nothing exact just "about" .

    Those of us looking for used CARC's would like to know. I figure a C kit with install is more than $3,000 if you foot the whole bill.

    Thanks

    Mark
     
  2. john zibell

    john zibell Moderator Staff Member GT Famiglia

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    Labor for a B kit is about 3 hours. Less with practice. For the other kits I can't help you.
     
  3. scottmastrocinque

    scottmastrocinque High Miler GT Famiglia

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    Seriously?

    That is "not missing", that is what a "dealer" is for. They have the ability to tell you prices. I have no idea. Some things you just have to find out for yourself brother.
     
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    GT-Rx® Administrator Staff Member

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    Mark, the info is on the site regarding years to kit needed.
    Cost is ~$1200 last I checked, and labor on the B kit is what John states above. The others are more intensive and require head removal, and I ALWAYS recommend flushing the motor and pulling the oil pump for a visual and flush.
    I've done many of these at my shop in Orange; GTMotocycles.com -- happy to be of help on all.
     
  5. Richard Martin

    Richard Martin Just got it firing!

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    Just to update you, The NZ agent and the repair shop can provide the parts and labour, almost $ 3000:00 NZD ! That represents about a third of the current value of this machine. I'm considering selling it off for parts. Anyone have any thoughts on that idea ? It was made quite clear that without a full service history conducted by a dealer workshop, no warranty. As I think most of us appreciate, dealer servicing would make no difference to a flawed manufacturing process.
     
  6. john zibell

    john zibell Moderator Staff Member GT Famiglia

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    If you like the bike consider making the repair. It is hard to find a bike you like to keep. Selling parts you will end up with quite a bit that doesn't sell and end up at a scrapper at scrap metal price. Also it may take years to get the parts sold. Also if you sell the bike to a breaker, you won't get anywhere near the retail value of the bike. Personally I'd make the repair and ride the wheels off it.
     
  7. Richard Martin

    Richard Martin Just got it firing!

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    Yep John, Agreed after some thought. I dropped the sump last weekend and removed the oil pickups and flushed from the heads down. Nothing found other than a few slivers of alloy on the oil cooling pump intake which could date back to manufacture. Waiting for a new sump gasket, O ring for the pickup and filter and will send it for repair next week. I came to the same conclusions as yourself. Hoping that it was caught early enough to avoid damage beyond the cams and followers. After 31000Km the bores still have all the honing marks. The bottom end appears robust.
     
  8. aussiedave

    aussiedave Tuned and Synch'ed

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    Hi,
    I was browsing and came back across this. Now May 2018
    Tony is absolutely correct and owners in Australia should not have to pay anything when warranty applies to the product.
    Visit the ACCC website - I recently refused an Australian AirCon manufacturer request I pay labour to have their faulty part replaced by them. ( had to be done by an "authorised technician") They backed down in the end , did not cost me to have the repair done - but leaves a bad taste eh.

    Below are excerpts from the ACCC website - go there or contact them for more info re Consumer Guarantees
    https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-rights-guarantees/repair-replace-refund

    Products must be of acceptable quality, that is:

    • safe, lasting, with no faults
    • look acceptable
    • do all the things someone would normally expect them to do.
    Repair, replacement or refund
    You can ask a business for your preference of a free repair, replacement or refund, but you are not always entitled to one. For example, the consumer guarantees do not apply if you got what you asked for but simply changed your mind, found it cheaper somewhere else, decided you did not like the purchase or had no use for it.

    See: Exceptions to consumer guarantees

    If you have a minor problem with a product or service, the business can choose to give you a free repair instead of a replacement or refund. When you have a major problem with a product, you have the right to ask for your choice of a replacement or refund.


    Cheers
    Dave r
     
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  9. Richard Martin

    Richard Martin Just got it firing!

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    Hi Dave,

    Pity I'm no longer in OZ. The Australian importers have no obligation to support this unit out of the country and the NZ importers also under obligation as it never went through them. However once the crook parts have been removed and the evidence is in on the cause, I will try them again.
    Originally the first Stelvio I bought was misrepresented by the dealer and Tasmanian Law required that they buy it back which they did. Maybe I should have got the hint then but no, it would appear I'm a little slow about such decisions.

    Cheers and thanks for the input.
     
  10. Bill Crane

    Bill Crane Just got it firing! GT Contributor

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    Glad to happen on this post, confirming that the tappet issue is not something I need to worry about after purchasing a used '13 Norge.
    Very helpful information, think I'm going to like this forum.
     
  11. Adam Davis

    Adam Davis Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Famiglia

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    That 1213 sport is badass for sure. Sharp bike.
     
  12. John Warner

    John Warner Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Contributor

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    Excellent write-up Scott, thanks.
    That's my Kit in the photo, with the Badge and Stickers.
    Bought from Agostinis while on a Bike holiday in Sep 2016.
    Fitted it with just over 28000 miles on the Clock, now approaching 33000.
    My Flats were just starting to show signs of the DLC failing, so I did it just in time.
    FlatsII.jpg

    Are you OK with me sharing your write-up with the (520+ worldwide) members of my Owners Group on Facebook?
     
  13. Richard Martin

    Richard Martin Just got it firing!

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    Had the roller cam kit fitted to mine two days ago at 31000km. The exhaust looked like the one on the left of your photo and the inlet had not yet broken the surface but very close to it. This was followed by throttle body balancing and a remap. It is now one sweet running happy engine.
     
  14. scottmastrocinque

    scottmastrocinque High Miler GT Famiglia

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    Hi!

    Sure. That's fine. Enjoy!
     
  15. Juan1

    Juan1 Just got it firing!

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    Just a heads up, I have an early 2011 Griso with a drill mark on each cylinder, and lacking a groove in the center of the rocker box covers. That would make my Griso kit B compatible, wouldn't it?
     
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    scottmastrocinque High Miler GT Famiglia

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    "For engines like yours, Moto Guzzi has created different "kits" based upon which Engine Designation you have. I provide this table to you as an overview and visual, however, your dealer should check the VIN in the Piaggio database which will give the correct kit:"
     
  17. Adam Davis

    Adam Davis Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Famiglia

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    Doesn't get much closer than this Griso.... which happens to be mine.

    A11E4C2C-E0BE-4D8E-BCCE-7BCD94104426.jpeg
     
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  18. Adam Davis

    Adam Davis Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Famiglia

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    That 9 looks almost like a five....until I enhanced image.
     
  19. beezer660

    beezer660 Just got it firing!

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    Just curious as to what the maximum mileage anyone has experienced on the flat cam motors without having the update? All the dealers within any reasonable distance have gone out of business or dropped Moto Guzzi mainly because according to them, Guzzi has refused to reimburse them for all the warranty work. My bike is a 2009 with 37,000 miles and I have not had any symptoms yet. Anyone gone much further without problems?
     
  20. Rusty2000

    Rusty2000 Just got it firing!

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    Mine in an 09 with 46k miles on it. Oil changed every year regardless of mileage and no apparent problems, yet! Last time did tappets in September '18, they were in tolerance and the engine sounds just as noisy as when I bought it 5 years ago!
     

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