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Everything you ever wanted to know about the 1200 8V engine tappet failure but were afraid to ask.

Discussion in 'CARC' started by scottmastrocinque, May 27, 2017.

  1. V700Steve

    V700Steve High Miler GT di Razza Pura

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    No easy way to check. Cam towers have to come up off studs to see followers. No parts needed to look cept maybe orings on spark plug tube.
     
  2. Allard Michel

    Allard Michel Just got it firing!

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    OK, I am in the process of doing some work on the bike and cleaning it as its winter around here. No motorcycle on the road until april, so I got time. I got 2 other MG that are like new but the 2009 griso need some work. I was planning to do a remap on it as it run with the factory map that is terrible in low rpm, in the trafic. Changing rear tire, brake, oil change and maybe a new slip on exhaust to loose some weight. As I said before the bike run ok except for that low rpm respond, a new map will do the job. Then I started to read you guys on that tapped failure.... I decided to go tcheck it, so I open the left cylinder that have give me some trouble ( leaking head gasket ). One of the tapped, the exhaust one have start to loose coating.... the other seem to be fine, but its a matter of time I think. The bike is 10 years old, I got it for 2 years, and I got no records of its maintenance in a MG dealers, so I am alone... Where and at what cost can I get the parts to do the roller modification by myself? As some of you guys as even try to do it, or is it a dealer job only? I got pretty good mechanical skill, ( better than my english, I am french/Canadian ):)
     
  3. V700Steve

    V700Steve High Miler GT di Razza Pura

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    I don't think you need records of maintenance, that's a myth. OR the dealer is trying to get out of doing the job.
    For a warranty claim dealers has to submit pictures to Costa Mesa office. Then approved they do work. I used to take them apart, take pics, put back together, ride till parts arrive. That way it's not sitting w/loose cyl to get dirt under where oil seeps out on block at base.
    If you have the A5 motor the heads come off. 3 different kits. That depending on which motor you have.
    It's not a bad job. There is a Tech Bulletin on doing it. Another covers the different kits.
    Do a search for Roller Tappets, it's explained here very well.
    Search online for P/N #1A002082
     
  4. Allard Michel

    Allard Michel Just got it firing!

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    Thanks!
    Yes it’s an A5 engine
    Date of production of the bike is 07/2008. If I am right, it’s the first batch of Griso with the 1200cc engine.
     
  5. GT-Rx®

    GT-Rx® Administrator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    Hi Scott, Happy Holidays!
    Steve worked for a dealer, so he does have first hand knowledge.
    Happy New Year to you!
     
  6. V700Steve

    V700Steve High Miler GT di Razza Pura

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    I have updated around 30 8V's as a tech working at dealers. Started professionally in 88 for Guzzi/bmw shop. AND was one of 3 techs for Guzzi that did the time study/procedure for warranty claims in 09 on original A5's w/tappets too flat.
    I also had a Guzzi shop in IL for 10yrs and was MGNOC state rep for club. Just a little background.
    Say as you wish, I don't argue on forums only try to help others.
    Scott, you may even know me. I have a longtime friend right down in Arlington. Went to OH rallies for years.
    I do know how you feel, believe me, after around 18yrs on the forums I'm ready to go back analog.
     
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  7. scottmastrocinque

    scottmastrocinque Scott Mastrocinque GT Famiglia

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    I stand corrected and am obviously wrong. My stupid mistake.

    Good to know about you but then WTH would you call what I wrote a “myth”? That really set me off, especially 2 years after the fact.

    I try very hard to never discount or slight what somebody obviously takes a great deal of time, creating for the benefit of others.

    Guess I just don’t have the patience or desire to do this kind of thing anymore...

    I try to be helpful, and I end up getting burned over and over. It’s too much really.

    It’s been really bad lately in the Soviet Steeds forum, as I also own a 2017 Ural Gear Up in my 7 bike menagerie.

    So, I apologize for my anger and response. I’m sure I over-reacted. Wouldn’t be the first time but I tell you now, it’s the last as I’m done posting diddly squat.

    I do not believe we have ever met. Maybe I’m wrong again. If you are referring to Mark Rose, then yes, I know him well. He is my best friend and we ride together and I work on his motorcycles (Stelvio NTX and R1200RT) and have been teaching him motorcycle mechanics. I don’t think Mark has introduced me to anybody but his friend Craig, with the KTM that I worked on his wheel and changed his tires on my tire machine.

    If you are ever down here this way again, allow me to apologize in person and shake your hand.

    I’m sorry for causing a problem.

    I need to just stay the hell away from forums. They upset me. Guess I’m getting old.
     
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  8. scottmastrocinque

    scottmastrocinque Scott Mastrocinque GT Famiglia

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    Thanks Todd.

    Same to you and yours!
     
  9. V700Steve

    V700Steve High Miler GT di Razza Pura

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    Scott, I think you do great write-ups, have read your bio long time back. Don't quit.

    Sorry if you got wrong idea on my post

    The myth thing was referring to the proof of maintenance to get warranty work only. Like if you don't use the dealer & do it yourself, they can't refuse warranty cause of it. Only one I saw get No was a Norge w/no oil on stick, that's abuse to them.

    I got sick of being a dash mechanic & such electrical problems, then the MGX came out and I bailed. Nasty drive to go to work across ATL traffic to dealer also. Retired w/a few good customers on the side. Just enough to squeak by financially.

    I may have to come up to Arlington, my friend Matt (Little Blue Man) has had broken turn signals for bout 8yrs, then lost a bolt for new ones. Just an excuse, he's had lots of life stuff happen. That's the 93 Cali FI, he also has a V65SP w/bad batt. I tuned Cali in 06.
    He used to tour & attend Guzzi rallies like me in 80's & 90's.
    I'll let you know if I come up. Thanks
     
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    GT-Rx® Administrator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    I feel you Scott, I'm right there in many ways. Downside for me is it's my Forum, and a significant source of my income that this Forum feeds by online Store purchases, which in turn pays mostly for this website. The freebie social media sites really are fracturing most things like attitudes and expectations, and too many are bringing that here. Try to only post in the Ask the Wrench section. That may help.
    Welcome/thanks... full throttle into 2020. ;)
     
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  11. Stephen Dickinson

    Stephen Dickinson Tuned and Synch'ed

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    Just been informed by the distributor that my Stelvio (just purchased with only 27000kms on it) with engine no 12669 and build date of 29/3/12 is a flat tappet engine
    Bugger
    I thought it had a build date of 1/5/12 as on the original sales docket, and an engine no significantly more than 12596 would put me in the clear.
     
  12. Rusty2000

    Rusty2000 Just got it firing!

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    Yes, this is correct, however you may need to resort to the law if Piaggio doesn't honour it. Time consuming and potentially expensive.
     
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    V700Steve High Miler GT di Razza Pura

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    Build date and rollers are a grey area, done like always when they ran out of flats they put rollers in. Motors keep rolling down assembly line. Someone else will fix it in warranty.
     
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    Lage Just got it firing!

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    does the problem come suddenly or you get some warning before the issue ? i have a Norge 2011 and plan to go on a longtrip! for now is runnig lovely and no strange sounds. dare i go on the trip?
    Greetings Lage
     
  15. Richard Martin

    Richard Martin Just got it firing!

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    With my 1200 Sport 4V it came on within a 150 km of riding in an afternoon. The engine became more clattery ( never quiet to begin with ) and was loosing performance. When I nursed it home and allowed it to cool overnight, checked the valve clearances and three valves had opened up. From 15 to 17 on two exhaust valves and 10 to 11 on one inlet. It had gone 600 km since last checked with no adjustment required.
    My boss had a 09 Stelvio with 25,000 km and it was running fine but Pete Roper changed the valve system on that when he did mine and it was showing early deterioration of the cam and tappets.
    Both engines were caught early enough to avoid further internal damage.
    In your situation with a long trip being planned, perhaps do it now before they fail, because for sure at some point, they will fail.
    Cheers.
     
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    Stephen Dickinson Tuned and Synch'ed

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    Turns out my machine was a factory roller machine after all. phew!!
    The distributor got me nervous unnecessarily. A couple of pictures sent to them changed their mind, backed up by the great info on this site.
    cheers
     
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    Richard Martin Just got it firing!

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    Excellent result. Mixed emotions, do you throttle the dealer or hug him ?
     
  18. Lage

    Lage Just got it firing!

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    thanks for you answer! and i will have it changed before i go.. :)
     
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    Stephen Dickinson Tuned and Synch'ed

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    It was the distributor (Peter Stevens) in Oz who gave the misleading info. They don't sell many Guzzis down here in Tassie and frankly I had to tell the local blokes here about the issue, and what to look for based on the advice on this forum. Advice which I presume they checked in the form of photos they took themselves with the distributor.
    I suppose it goes to show how slack Moto Guzzi was in 2012 in documenting exactly where and when the changes were made, and keeping records for the rest of the world to rely upon.
    Having sad that I quite like my Stelvio.
    Will like it even more once the home detention period finishes.
     
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    V700Steve High Miler GT di Razza Pura

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    Update on warranty -- Still on going campaign as of 5/21 . Talked to TechRep today and he mentioned that it is still open. Get your rollers while you can.
     
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