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GT-Modded new turn-key V9/7

Discussion in 'V7/V85/V9 Chat & Tech' started by GT-Rx®, Dec 1, 2015.

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Poll closed Jun 16, 2018.
  1. LOVE this concept, I'd buy one regardless of price

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  2. Think it's great, but I'll just buy a stock V9 B/R

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  3. I like the new models as is.

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  4. Not interested at all in the small block

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  1. GT-Rx®

    GT-Rx® Administrator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    Well, the V9 is still a "small block" so no way economically feasible way to stuff a big block in (but keep an eye out for my V7-tank'ed 1380cc monster). As long as nothing major internally on the heads and cylinders has changed, I can likely match the entire top end of my 4V Racer to the new V8.5/9 motor, however, it looks as of now we might be able to cast our own 4V heads to match the 2V V9 heads.
     
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    francod123 Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    Gotcha. I will definitely keep an eye out for that. I guess I was imagining Radical Guzzi's V12 they have on their site basically, albeit with a slightly bigger motor. The 4v head on a V9 would be appealing to me as well. Cool stuff in the works.
     
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    drlapo Tuned and Synch'ed

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    definitely interested but the price would have to be in the reasonable range.
    $15000?
     
  4. GT-Rx®

    GT-Rx® Administrator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    I will have a build sheet that should come in under that, and run up from there depending on options wanted; Suspension, exhaust, etc. The 4V version, if we can justify bringing it to market, would be over that amount... But they would be fully custom, built to order of course.
     
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    Jorge Sarse Tuned and Synch'ed GT Famiglia

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    I like the idea Todd. If I had a choice of V7 or a 900 version on the shop floor, I'd probably take the 900.

    I'm still quietly hoping Guzzi will reintroduce the V11 Sport, or maybe a 900 version of the 750.

    Either way the V11 sports or V7 stones/specials are for me the best looking motorcycles ever made.

    With some suspension and exhaust mods I'm sure the big block V7/9 will be a delight to own and ride.
     
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    danketchpel Tuned and Synch'ed

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    I don't see an option listed I'd vote for so here's my take on it.

    I'm interested in a big bore/4V V7II based Stornello Scrambler style. Price has it's limits, especially if it's a big hit. If it gets to be too much other bikes become more attractive real quick. I do look at the overall picture and it has to make some sense.

    I think what I'd want is essentially starting with a new Stornello plus what I listed above mapped and ready to go. Depending on final price I'd probably have to upgrade suspension etc. over time or in phases. As I can do a great deal of work myself, I think what attracts me the most would be to have the big bore/4V engine all setup and correctly mapped by you, then I'd probably take it from there. But it would depend on final cost of options.

    I'm looking for roughly 70 -75 hp with solid torque, maybe around 50 ft lbs and smooth running. The Ducati Scrambler engine sets the bar for performance in my mind. I've ridden 2 of them and it's just about right for a roughly 400 lb package.

    If Guzzi offered a V9 Scrambler I might just start with that, dunno. I don't know what Guzzi's plans for the V9 range is. I'm not attracted to what I see offered in V9 format right now. It seems like they are chasing the HD Sportster.

    I'm waiting to see what Triumph does with their Scrambler......, plus this and then make a decision for next year.
     
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    GT-Rx® Administrator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    Well, the V9 is technically an 850 small block. 84mm bore, which is the same as my 820 kit.
    The only waves on the horizon were of the V13 H20 Le Mans a year or so back. I have to think that's in the works still. The only hope of a big block 900 was the Bellagio, and they pulled the plug on that one.
    Plan is to retro fit a new V9 with the V7 bodywork, and/or offer a new/leftover V7 with my 820 kit, 2 or 4-valve. I will be looking on casting a 4-valve head for the new 850 small block motor, same shape as what they are showing.
     
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    GT-Rx® Administrator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    I hear you Dan... here's the problem, the 4V-820 motor I've built is in the ~60 rwhp range. No way to get it to 70 and have it be durable and reliable. The Ducati Scrambler might be the best way for you to go.
    I guess it's wait and see on a Factory V9 Scrambler, instinct says it won't happen, but I've been wrong many times before.
    I think many are in the "don't like it" boat on the new V9 styling, hence what created the idea and this thread.

    Thanks for your input.
     
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    danketchpel Tuned and Synch'ed

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    Thanks for the feedback Todd. The 60-65 rwhp might be OK if there's decent torque to back it up.

    Looking at this dyno chart comparing the Ducati with the Triumph your modded V7 is in the hunt.

    [​IMG]

    I'm not really looking to say that's my absolute requirement, it's more like a yardstick based on actually riding the different bikes.

    In reality the Triumph Scrambler is the V7 Stornello's true competitor for me as even though I like the Duc engine I'm not keen on the mini-bike size of the bike. Also, the Duc engine runs friggen hot. I have a '09 Ducati Sport Classic and it runs just as hot.

    Prior to the 6 spd upgrade for the V7 I had pretty much counted it out as I really want a 6 spd if possible. I'm waiting to see if Triumph upgrades the Scrambler along the lines of the Bonnie and Thruxton.

    I think Guzzi has an opportunity here if they put some effort into the Stornello as the Scrambler market is pretty hot right now. I think the work you are doing with the 4v heads etc. is exactly what Guzzi should be doing. The short block is good, it's the heads where things are seriously lacking.

    I'm still very interested to rent your modded 4V V7 for a day when it's ready. Keep me posted.
     
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    GT-Rx® Administrator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    See below for Mike's '12 stock bore (749cc) 4V (blue) over a the stock V7 (red), 4V torque is at 46 lb.ft., so square in the hunt. The 820 kit is ~60+hp/50 lb.ft. - perhaps the new head combustion design with 4V @820cc will be slightly more. We shall see. I am very close on having the 820-4V Racer ready to rent. Just need to get the fueling sorted (zero time these days) and some miles on it. It's a little beast.

    [​IMG]
     
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    danketchpel Tuned and Synch'ed

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    Thanks for posting that. The Dyno graph shows exactly how bad those stock 2V heads are, plain as day.

    The torque curve on the 4V looks excellent, it's fat right where you want it and doesn't fall off too quick.

    Keep me posted on the 4V racer, little beast sounds fun...... that's the sort of thing I'm looking for, not excuses for the lack of factory development.

    There's not a lot of magic in performance, just some effort.
     
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    anders Just got it firing!

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    Hi to all ! I`m new in this forum (which i found while googling) and hopefully everybody or at least somebody understands my english.

    I`m curious about changing stock fuel tank of V9 to bigger one from V7. Also the seat would be changed to one from the V7. I like more about the looks of V9 with V7 tank. I found out that many people have made this swap, but didn`t find any information how difficult this mod is.

    Has anyone here made this swap or know does it require cutting and welding of the frame ? Looks like changing the tank could be "bolt-on" job, but the seat might be different. V9 frame seems straight all the way to the tail, but V7 has slight angle in the back part underneath the seat.

    Any information or advices would be nice. Thank you !
     
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    GT-Rx® Administrator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    Your english is great (Google translate?).
    I merged your question to this thread. Ironically enough, despite the poll above, I’ve had zero interest in new V9/7s.
    I can’t expand much here, and it’s not simple or easy, but the tank fits with very little modifications (no cutting or welding). You have to remove the USB plug and related covers, and use the V7 fuel pump ($$$$).
    The V9 seat latch is just beyond the airbox lid, so the V7 seat pin must be relocated to that location. Many who have ridden my rental; http://ridemalibu.com/bikes/v97/ - find it too loose when latched in, but when seated it’s as expected and fits perfectly outside of the rear seat bumpers for the angled V7 frame. However mine has been extensively ridden two-up with zero issues.
    Best of luck.
     
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    Godfrey High Miler GT Famiglia

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    I can't quite press the "I'd Love One" button because of the regardless of price clause. :D

    While I dump oodles of money into my motorcycle and bicycle, I'm very very choosy about what I'm spending that money on and there are definitely things I don't buy purely because, as desirable as they are, they're more expensive than I want to spend for the added benefits they bring. An example is the Öhlins 43mm fork for the V7 that you offer ... It would be delightful and brilliant, and a big plus for riders who are more performance oriented and better at it than I am... But the total cost including the necessary brake master cylinder, caliper, fender, etc, brings the price out to the far side of what I can go for. The Matris cartridge fork kit, at roughly a quarter the money, does well enough for my desires/needs/riding skill level, etc.

    Building bespoke machines is always expensive, but "regardless of price" is a bit over the top for my pay grade... which hovers nowadays near the 'zilch' mark given that I'm retired. I'd think of the service as more a "buy a new motorcycle with the careful customizations that make sense for me" kind of thing, which always has in it an eye on the total budget and cost/value equation.
     
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    GT-Rx® Administrator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    This thread is ~2.5 years old now, so I just wanted to add the notes in answering the question to the poster above.
     
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    Godfrey High Miler GT Famiglia

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    Ah, I didn't notice the age of the thread. Doh! :)
     
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    Stradagene Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Famiglia

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    But did you see the V9/7 when your were down here?!
    Thing of beauty!

    I frequently find myself saying the same thing, but seeing the bike in person makes one wonder why MG didn't offer it this way from the factory. It's exactly what one would have wanted from an updated V7 that could have been debuted three years ago. It still could have been called the V9, and they still could have offered the Heron head V7 as the V7II. I'm pretty sure I know which one would have been flying off the shelf. ;)
     
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    anders Just got it firing!

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    Thank you for your compliment. I have to thank Finnish education system from my english and of course movies,games and music. Obviously it works :D Google translate is actually pretty horrible with finnish. If i have to translate something i always translate it from original language to english.

    I apologize linkin to another forum. I didn`t know that is forbidden and didn`t have guts just to steal the pics from that topic.

    But back to the point; Thank you for your advices. That sounds bigger job than i hoped. Do you know does the tank fit straight to old fittings or do you have to mod them too ?

    About the seat. That sounds like it would be easier and better idea to buy another V9 seat and rebuild it to "V7 lookalike" ?

    The reason why i`m asking these questions is that i like parts of the both bikes. Black V7 is pretty nice looking, but i really would appreacite the few extra horsepower that V9 has and V9 has much better looking wheels/rims. I`m aware of the spoked wheels available to V7 but they are pretty expensive (about 2000-3000$). Does anyone know do V9 wheels fit straight to V7 ? They would cost just about 1000$

    For some reason here the used V7 and V9 prices are approximately same. I`m considering to buy either V7 or V9 and customizing it when winter arrives. I really like the look of the Guzzis V7/V9 and especially the motor. It looks like somebody took the motor from old biplane and decided to fit in the motorbike, no matter what it takes :D
     
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    Godfrey High Miler GT Famiglia

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    Yes, your V9 is lovely! it's puzzling why they don't offer something more like that from the factory.

    I hope that they offer not only an adventure touring version of the new V85 but a more LeMansish-Racerish version as well. That would make me happy .... and poorer. :D
     
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    GT-Rx® Administrator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    Probably, but not in cost for the end product.
    The power differences are minimal if you are talking V7 III (ride both it and the V9 if you can). If you are comparing the V7 II to V9, there are valuable differences IMO.
    The wheels do not interchange. If you like the V9 wheels, buy the V9.
    V9 sales are pretty flat around the world. I believe that is the reason for the silly "Garage" build nonsense.
    Best of luck with everything, sure you'll love whatever you end up with.
     
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