Quite so...the HP war is full on for many MC builders. I have NO issue with a person buying a 150hp Ducati like my neighbor, he ride mainly track days here in NC and is quite experienced. It's the same for many things that on the surface are deadly but reasonable operation begets safe operation whether its a Firearm, Boat, Aircraft or land machines. Seems folks in my Dads era were not as formally educated as a whole as today but maintained a high level of common sense.Very much so. You missed my point. If the machines kill enough people early on, the industry dies. The bikes you list are mere toys in todays world. Times have changed per your own words.