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Hello from Croatia :)

Discussion in 'Europe' started by Vilim Berger, Feb 26, 2021.

  1. DeadEye

    DeadEye High Miler GT di Razza Pura

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    So the connector or clip (9) that keeps the oil line secure might need to be replaced ?
    The oil level is still good, if it’s leaking you would be down a bit ?
     
  2. Vilim Berger

    Vilim Berger Tuned and Synch'ed

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    Well, that was a nice 2000km in the past month and a half.

    Unfortunately I am obviously unlucky. Today I was riding with my friends, after cca 250km we decide to stop and rest a bit. When we continue riding, and after a maybe one kilometer all lights come on on dash, ECU error occured on LCD, motor stalled, and everything went blank. A smoke start rising under the seat and I've stopped.

    After quick reaction and disconnecting the battery we've noticed that starter motor burned as well as some wires around. It seems that the starter motor engaged at one point, but I didn't noticed diferent sound due to the loud exhaust on my friends bike.

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    I've disconect all connected wires from the starter motor, Isolate all burned wires, and we managed to start the bike by pushing it.

    The bike seems to ride ok, no strange behaviors, no stalling, just normal feeling. It pulls like it shoud, no dash errors, nothing. I've manage to come home, but the starter motor is toast.

    I've dissasembly starter motor and the plastic bit that holds planetary gears is compleatly melted, stucking all the gears and the motor.

    I've manage to remove gears, assembly the motor back and test it. It spins, but wires become hot very fast. I've noticed some wires on rotor compleatly without varnish, anyhow the motor is done and I need a new one.

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    I have two concers/questions.

    Why and how did starter motor engaged?

    And is it possible to install starter motor from Breva 700ie/Nevada750ie?

    I've found on part catalouge that Breva 1100 can use Valeo and Bosch starter motor (I had a Bosch), and Valeo is usually found on Breva 750, I would like to try Valeo since my friend have a spare one from his Breva 750.

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    Does it fits? Can I use it?

    Sorry all for a long post, but I would really like to fix my bike as soon as possible and continue riding Moto Guzzi. :)

    I will be grateful for any your suggestion or help.

    Thank you all in advance, I knw that you're the best. :)
     
  3. V700Steve

    V700Steve GT Reference GT di Razza Pura

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    Yes, it should bolt in ok and work. Count teeth on engagement gear, should be the same. Make sure the wires are not touching each other or on the ground heavy wire or mount.
     
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  4. Hippo-Drones

    Hippo-Drones Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    Really sorry to hear of your issue, I hope you can sort it quickly
     
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  5. Vilim Berger

    Vilim Berger Tuned and Synch'ed

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    Thank you Steve, you helped a lot.
     
  6. V700Steve

    V700Steve GT Reference GT di Razza Pura

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    While you are on starter you should do the 'startus interuptus' mod. This is for better starter power draw to the solenoid. Just search for it here on forum.
     
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    DeadEye High Miler GT di Razza Pura

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    WoW - Incredible how it melted into the gears !
     
  8. Vilim Berger

    Vilim Berger Tuned and Synch'ed

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    Well, the previous owner applied (due to the starting issues) one of the models for "startus interuptus". He added an additional wire parallel-connected with the existing installation, and a hidden but easily accessible taster button that is directly connected from the battery to the solenoid.

    As far I can see, he added a few more wires in order to maybe bypass the ECU and sensors if I'm not mistaken, I'm not an expert in auto electrics, and the previous owner is not easily reachable for the comments, so I can't confirm that, either I'm not sure what he did exactly. :(

    The downside of this solution is that you can crank the motor even if the key isn't inserted and there is no contact, the engine won't start without the key, but it cranks.

    I've upgraded this solution, first by replacing tiny wires and bad connectors/soldering added by the previous owner, then with adding a fuse in the circuit, and with adding an additional on/off switch under the seat, which is not accessible without raising the seat, so I can "turn off" the hidden switch.

    I've also managed to partially solve the issue with the starting switch on the handlebar by resoldering all the wires and connectors in the switch itself. After this, the bike can be started easily on the switch at the handlebar about 95% of the time. I've noticed that sometimes doesn't work when the bike is hot from the riding, then I crank it with the hidden button.

    Once I receive a replacement starter motor I'll triple-check the handlebar switch as well as all other installations.

    It's not a nice feeling when the bike starts smoking while you're riding. :)
     
  9. Vilim Berger

    Vilim Berger Tuned and Synch'ed

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    Valeo starter motor installed and it works.

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  10. DeadEye

    DeadEye High Miler GT di Razza Pura

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    Congratulations on your road side recovery and quick repair.

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  11. Vilim Berger

    Vilim Berger Tuned and Synch'ed

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    Hello everyone! :)

    Let me write a brief review of the season for now. :) 8000km behind us of pure pleasure.

    The dripping oil problem turned out to be a cracked "Breather pipe" hose, after replacing the hose (with the generic hose from the local car parts shop) everything was fine.
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    I've used this opportunity to clean the "K&N" air filter (as the previous owner told me that the "K&N" filter was installed), but after opening the airbox I found that not that there is no "K&N" filter there but the stock OEM filter that has never been replaced before, the filter was so dirty and full of debris that it was a miracle how the bike worked at all. I hardly found a new filter in Croatia, I think that it was the last one on the shelf, but after replacing it, the bike was much happier (And I as well).

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    Before vacation, I've replaced the front brake pads, since the left rotor was completely worn out, the right rotor pads were okay. I've replaced the braking fluid and bleed the system, and now the pads are evenly wearing.
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    (I went on a vacation with the bike and my wife took the kids in the car :D )

    Yesterday I had to disassembly the whole bike since it got soaking wet and It couldn't start. After turning the key it asked for key code to be inserted, and "SERVICE" was written on the dash. Trying to cranck and bike died completely, I had to push it almost a mile to garage.

    In the end, It turned out that water got into the dash causing a short circuit. I've dried all connections, cleaned all corrosion, reassembled the dash, and re-seal it. Since the whole bike was disassembled I've cleaned all connectors, from turning signal, lambda sonde, air temperature sonde, to all relays and headlamp, literally all connectors. And now everything works as it should.

    Here are some more pictures from this season. :)

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    Greetings to all Guzzists from Croatia! ;)
     
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  12. Raven

    Raven High Miler GT Famiglia

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    Good job with the repairs. Nice pics too. Roll on...
     
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