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LIMITED PRODUCTION CARBON FIBER WHEELS

Discussion in 'CARC' started by GT-Rx®, Mar 29, 2013.

  1. GT-Rx®

    GT-Rx® Administrator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    I've abandoned the CNC CARC wheel option, and venturing onto this avenue. Perhaps a rare few folks will be interested in these, but I am taking pre-orders (only) on sets of the 7-spoke carbon fiber wheels in glossy or matte finish as shown below. Pricing is US$4350/set + shipping. They will of course be bolt-on/set up for all CARC Guzzi.
    Contact me direct e-mail for details; Todd at GuzziTech.com
     

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  2. Steak

    Steak Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    Wow, those are gorgeous (and spendy!)

    Kinda like putting a string bikini on a fat girl though, isn't it? :p
     
  3. GT-Rx®

    GT-Rx® Administrator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    Heh, perhaps... some know of the benefit, and mine are going on my project below, so no, not really. :whistle:

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  4. cytocycle

    cytocycle Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    Thanks Todd for making this happen! I have pestered BST and you both for the last 2 years.

    Dropping a ton of weight off the Griso's wheels will really improve side to side transitions and suspension performance! Can't wait to get mine!

    Remember rotation weight reduction is a huge improvement because of the 3x factor causing by the spinning. So dropping 7lbs off feels like dropping 21lbs
     
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    kmac33 Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Contributor

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    I sure do wish i could afford to spring for a set of these!!!!
     
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    thundergroin Just got it firing!

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    Nice-they cost almost as much as I just paid for my '04 Breva! :lol:
     
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    Mi_ka High Miler

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    ... giving the correct meaning to the "nice set of wheels!" phrase, I guess :lol:
     
  8. NIKIMONI

    NIKIMONI Just got it firing!

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    can be mounted on a Moto Guzzi Breva 850, and if you how much they cost?
    thanks
     
  9. ghezzi

    ghezzi High Miler GT Contributor

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    Dragged Bella outa da shed a few weeks ago, modified Griso shock still not as good as it should be.
    Fiddled with damping and preload, very minor adjustments and still end up with unsatisfactory compromise. This was all compared to a "Dunga" CBR600, 16 years old and 113,000km basically stock but with a good shock and sorted forks.

    The Honda's ride quality was superb, compliant over our rough roads but very composed in the corners. Much easier to ride, quicker turn in etc. I know its apples and oranges but I'd like a light weight Guzzi ................. silk purse out of a sow's ear!
    I love the string bikini analogy above.

    So Scott, my suspension guy says I need a top of the range Ohlins/Penske etc .......................
    Just prepared the budget for a big hit to get the Matris R with high and low speed compression etc to control the massive unsprung weight of the swingarm & rear wheel.

    Now I happened to mention to Scott, the availability of carbon wheels; "BUY!". He says "BUY!".
    Bugger, knew I shouldn't have paid my tax bill.

    Bella is worth 12k here
    Wheels will cost 4k landed in Oz (more taxes)
    I could buy the "Dunga" for 3k instead, ....................... but I just love my Guzzi.

    :? :cry: :( :dry: :blush:

    Todd - email sent.
     
  10. ghezzi

    ghezzi High Miler GT Contributor

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    Got your email Todd and returned serve,
    My first shot of electrons are still MIA, did you get the second shot?
     
  11. Mark111

    Mark111 Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Contributor

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    Todd,
    Any idea of the weight of these wheels.
    Also in the future will you be able to supply individual wheels if required.
    Mark
     
  12. ghezzi

    ghezzi High Miler GT Contributor

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    The 7 spoke (Black Mamba) wheels including bearings and spacers are;
    Front 2.49kg & Rear 2.71kg
    Av tyre weights, front 9.5lb, rear 14.75lb

    Rear Marchesini forged magnesium on my Ducati Hypermotard 1100S was 2.35kg with one spoke missing.

    Cali Stone wheels complete with discs and tyres, front 17kg & rear 21kg just for comparison.

    Now it does say limited production run, which to me means there will be no regular production runs with parts sitting on the shelf. However, if a wheel was damaged beyond repair, a replacement could be made, but time and cost would not be in your favour.
     
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    cytocycle Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    I would say also that carbon wheels aren't like magnesium bendy wheels, so you will probably bend your front forks or headtube before deforming the rims.
     
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    ghezzi High Miler GT Contributor

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    Check out Black Mamba 7 spoke specs
    http://www.blackstonetek.com/wheel_gallery.html

    Pickys
    http://www.blackstonetek.com/aboutGallery.html

    Bellagio rear spoke wheel with used tyre and disc = 14.60kg
    Less rear Avon tyre approx 6.75kg = 7.85kg
    Less rear disc approx 1.0kg = 6.85kg for standard wheel
    BST should weigh less than 2.75kg = weight saving of 4.10kg min for the rear wheel.

    Will weigh my front wheel when I find the 14mm allen key.
    Any Griso advocates want to do the same?
     
  15. ghezzi

    ghezzi High Miler GT Contributor

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    Just returned from my mates place, he has an RS250 (RZ485) with BST carbon wheels.
    They were off the bike, pick one up then pick up a stock wheel. The mind boggles at the difference. Then pick up 6 sprocket or disc bolts (steel) in one hand and the same but titanium in the other, like lead and feathers. He also has CMC discs on order.

    Man I'm thinking, how can I put such heavy components on those lovely wheels.
     
  16. Spaceclam

    Spaceclam Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    My concern is about longevity/repair/parts

    I imagine the lighter wheels on my bike would make a world of difference. I know the brake disks and bolts are heavy too, but still.

    My concern is that wheels get bent and damaged. Carbon fiber is MUCH stronger than aluminum, but tends to shatter with impact where aluminum just gives. On a racetrack, with smooth pavement, if there is impact sufficient to damage a wheel, the wheel is probably the last thing you are concerned about. On the road however, potholes are a serious problem. On more than one occasion, i am amazed that my rims were not damaged. Also, the retards at cycle gear aren't great at changing tires, but they are my only close option for mount and balance.

    I'd need to know that I could have it repaired or replaced QUICKLY and COST EFFECTIVELY.

    I'd also need it to look near stock. None of that flashy CF looking business. It would have to be painted so as not to look aftermarket, and I am concerned about the durability of paint versus the factory powder coat.

    So what exactly are the weight savings, what are the options for future spare parts, wait times etc, and what are the finish options, if any?

    All that being said, I was keeping up with a guy on an SV650 through the snake with my girlfriend on the back seat with the stock wheels just fine...
     
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    cytocycle Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    The advantages of a carbon rim like the BST's versus a light weight Magnesium wheel or crazy track weight aluminum forged wheels is they are much stronger. They will hold up to pot holes much better than stock rims even. Repairs will be replacement as you can't heat up a carbon rim and form it back like aluminum (which is then weaker).

    Cycle gear can mess up any mounting of any wheel, the challenge of a Carbon rim is they are not slick like aluminum rim so the person changing the tire must use a lot of tire lube.

    Carbon rims will hold up with the UV coating, I guess you could paint over them if you wanted to hide it???? and worse yet add a bunch of weight :whistle: ....

    This is an extreme upgrade for people who will accept that their suspension might need to be adjusted because of the drop in weight and responsiveness.. In my opinion the order of upgrades should go (weight cutting, suspension adjustment to deal with weight cutting, fueling, and finally adding performance via pipes/intake/cams/etc.)

    If you want to get a good idea on the difference cheaper, buy some Pilot Pure's (Drops 2 lbs off the bikes tires) and see what you think... if you don't think it's worth it you just saved yourself money.
     
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    ghezzi High Miler GT Contributor

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    My take on all those questions are as follows;

    If you manage to break a carbon fibre wheel, on a pot hole or in an accident, or whatever,
    the broken wheel will be the least of your problems.

    I have seen mag wheels of all descriptions collapse so badly from pot holes, that the shattered rim has jammed against the back of the brake calipers, causing the bike to flip end for end - totalled. Riders have escaped in the back of a meat wagon.

    I have seen race bikes flip so badly they tore themselves apart, stock wheels were cactus too.
    In both these scenarios with carbon wheels, there may not have been an accident or at least the carbon wheels may have survived.

    If I damage a carbon wheel, I will still have my stock wheels to fall back on.
    If I can't adjust to black wheels, I will paint mine silver to replicate alloy spoke wheels (you don't powder coat carbon fibre). The paint finish will be as durable as any other painted wheel on the market. Carbon can also be easily "touched up" with another clear coat.

    As for the future, I just think of the past. Guzzi wheels have been heavy since Adam was a boy.
    Anybody wanting Astrolite wheels for their early Le Mans knows - No Longer Available and if you find a set be prepared for prices in the gold bullion range.

    People may think it ludicrious to put Carbon Wheels on a Bellagio, but after 40 odd bikes I know I'll be happy with this girl for a long time to come. Any future upgrades would be in the likes of a Griso or Norge, in which case the jewellery would adorn my new girl.
     
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    ghezzi High Miler GT Contributor

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    Finally weighed my 18" spoked front wheel with used tyre, bearings and discs. 14.60kg (rear is also 14.60kg)
    Estimated weight w/o tyre and discs is 6.7kg, BST is 2.57kg
    Ducati ST4S 17" 5 spoke cast wheel with new tyre, bearings and discs. 12.20kg

    Just the two brembo discs alone weigh 3.60kg so CMC discs will also make a huge difference.
     
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    Why the big change Todd?
     

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