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Model Advice - Tonti Framed Guzzi

Discussion in 'Loop & Tonti' started by JAS, Jul 4, 2013.

  1. JAS

    JAS Tuned and Synch'ed

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    Hi everyone:

    I am looking for some advice on buying a Tonti Framed Guzzi. I already have CARC and Spine Framed Guzzis and want to finish off the collection, and am wondering what model to go for. I like the looks of the LeMans series (Mk1-3) however I really want something more comfortable and not so expensive. I don't like the looks of cruiser (or their riding position), so the California series is out.

    I really want one of the old school big fly wheeled / small valve Guzzis which pull all the way from idle. Comfort wise I prefer bikes with pegs a little further back and bars a little lower, so that I can lean forward a bit and can support my weight partly with my feet / arms, not having ridden a Tonti Framed Guzzi, i don't know which one to go for. I have been thinking about the following models:

    1. 1000sp (number 1 pick)
    2. G5
    3. T3/4
    4. Mille

    Any other possible models I have missed?

    I am 6ft 3" (188cm) / 176lb (80kg), am I going to have clearance issues with my knees with any of these models? Especially the 1000sp, which I hear the fairing around the cylinders can interfere with the knees?

    I am just keeping an eye on the classifieds now, if something comes up nearby that looks good, I want to move fast and be confident the model suits me in terms of comfort. Looks / feel wise is not an issues as I am sure I would be happy with any of these models.

    Thanks,

    Jason
     
  2. ghezzi

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    Hi Jason,
    My intro to things Mandello made was back in '82 when I bought a brand new Mk III Le mans. So I'm a little biased.
    As a young man it was by far the most comfortable bike I have ever owned, still, in so far as I could ride for 24 hours non-stop, covering 2,300klm, get off the bike and go to work.

    Now at 55 wrists and neck joints etc. have copped a flogging so something a little less racy is easier.
    The Mk III was fitted with clip-ons but the top triple clamp had handle bar clamps hidden by the rubber instrument pod. When you get old and doddery like me you could fit flat bars and the like.

    Le Mans with std rear set pegs will give you more leg room, compared to the std pegs on the models you listed.
    Le Mans may cost more now, but consider it an investment.
    1982, brand new $5,500
    2002, I bought a good condition 2nd hand Mk III for $7,500
    2012, last time I looked the same will cost $10,000 plus, here in Oz.

    Also owned an SP but didn't get to ride it much.
    A Cali Mk II, no issues covered about 30,000k
    2001 Cali Stone, only half the mods that Todd's "Beast" has but it was still a serious weapon. Just add a decent set of shocks 1" longer than standard, and drop the front yoke 10-13mm. Turns real well, heaps of ground clearance and scares Jap sports bikes in the tight stuff.

    Greatest thing about a Tonti frame, you can turn it into any model Tonti you want, its like plug-n-play.

    Good luck!
     
  3. Rafael

    Rafael GT Reference

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    My buddy is 6'4" he had a LMs3, he ended up selling because his knees got banged on the cylinders each time he hit a pot hole. He doesn't have that problem on my SP. But I have removed the lower fairings, they bugged me sometimes too and I'm 5'-11".

    The early SP (slate grey) the bluish one, has the same foot pegs as the LMs 1 & 2. The SP-NT (red/white) has the T-3/G-5 foot pegs.

    On my T-3, I got away from the OE handle bars and got the SP bars, also removed the turn signals and installed the angular black two bulb tail light that was OE on the SP/LMs2. Looks simple with nice lines. I find the handle bar and peg combination is very comfortable. Upright but slightly leaned forward. Also have a 1000 jugs and Rita ignition, so yeah, nice power from idle. Could stand better brakes though. The fact that your driving modern bike may lead you to up grading the brake on a tonti.

    good luck on your hunt.
     
  4. JAS

    JAS Tuned and Synch'ed

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    Ghezzi; I understand where you are coming from about the Le Mans series, however the small framed bikes (mk1-3) don't provide enough leg room and cost is simply a big factor in the bike selection. I really need to limit the purchase to around $7000, which is not going cover a Le Mans in decent shape here in Australia. The later mk4-5 are cheaper and have a bigger frame, however I don't like the looks.

    Rafael, from you friend's experience, seems like the sp is the way to go. I prefer the look of the early model sp (1000sp 78-80 and 1000sp NT 80-83), so will be looking for one of these. I assume from your description that the early 1000sp with the mk1/2 footpegs, had the pegs further back than the 1000sp NT?

    One further question, could the Le Mans 1/2 footpegs be retrofitted to the SP NT if required?

    EDIT: Just read the post on Wild Guzzi, seems to answer the rest of my questions: http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=cb3fec6c89f2537bffc158e0c336f011&topic=31322.40

    Thanks,

    Jason
     
  5. Rafael

    Rafael GT Reference

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    Good find on WG. Do you have Guzziology? Good source for chronological design revisions to models.

    Yes, the pegs and controls are a little farther back; my guess about 1.5 inch. And yes, since the frame are just about the same if not exactly the same the peg and control levers are interchangeable. The issue that remains to be resolved is fitting the muffler. The different systems came with different mufflers.

    I use a LMs rear brake lever on my SP, better ergo for me but the damn tip still interferes with the header pipe. So much for hand crafted parts :dry:

    More on my buddy's experience. He had a LMs 3, it was the first BB with square heads. I think that contributed to the knee banging. Think the seat height had something to do with it as well. Knee straightens with a higher seat. He also had a Corbin seat, which is lower than my SP.

    G-5s varied by model year too, The later years had more common parts. such as seat rail and tail light comes to mind.
     
  6. JAS

    JAS Tuned and Synch'ed

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    Rafael:

    Have been mulling over buying Guzziology for a while, guess I should go ahead and get a copy now. Buying from moto International on ebay is fine, postage to Australia however nearly doubles the price.....

    I am in no rush to buy, so if an sp comes up for sale nearby, I will go over and have a look at it and take it for a spin and see how comfortable I am on it and then go from there.

    Thanks for the advice,

    Jason
     
  7. contractor20

    contractor20 Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    Hi Jas Guzziology is available through Guzzi club Vichttp://www.motoguzziclubvic.asn.au/Regalia.html
    The shot show version 6 but they list new stock so hopefully its a later issue tho' that wont matter for earlier Tonti models
     

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