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New V10

Discussion in 'Spine' started by Ray1150, Aug 13, 2020.

  1. Ray1150

    Ray1150 Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Famiglia

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    Ta-Dah, new Centauro - well 15k on the clock, 2 owners and a full service inc belts and fuel filter 1k miles ago.
    Couple of questions for those who have been riding one of these for a bit;-
    recognise this chip anyone? The first item I should have changed on my Stelvio was the chip, Todds chip changed the bike immeasurably for the better, once bitten twice shy. Seems ok once it's rolling but doesn't pull well if you undergear. Still learning so not a final opinion - maybe.
    What about this idea of an extra earth from the ecu directly to the battery, again any thoughts fellow Centauro owners?
    Anything else I should be aware of?

    Thanks in advance
    Ray

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    Raven High Miler GT Famiglia

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    That is a beautiful bike. The colour is very different and looks incredible on the Centauro.:rock:
     
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    GT-Rx® Administrator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    Hi Ray, beauty, congrats. Hope you'll add your info to the Spine Registry page.
    I don't recognize the EPROM. For last decade and a half, chip burners are cheap, so a lot of people can do them. None of them have great fuel files on them, so I used to recommend the Power Commander (I have a huge library of maps).
    The 16M ECU has many flaws, the ground is one of them. If your question on condition of the bike, the belts and the stock oil pump are two downfalls of this model. There was someone making billet oil pumps for them. Might be in the ARCHIVE or here on the Forum. Try a search... and enjoy it. Sure you will.
     
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  4. Ray1150

    Ray1150 Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Famiglia

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    The chip you want for that bike is a Will Creedon chip. They are still available as I understand it.
    I have Power Commander stuff from Todd, and am happy. But I would personally rather start with a proper chip tune to begin with. Then add the Power Commander if required.
     
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    GT-Rx® Administrator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    Mike, I can burn chips still, and the fuel map on his chips are garbage. Typically he tells people to also add the Power Commander. My bet is that the chip he has in the bike is a good base.
     
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    To be clear, I have Power Commander stuff from Todd, for my Griso, and the wife's V11 Sport has an older Power Commander. But my Daytona just has a chip. No Power Commander stuff required. I don't think I said that right the first time.
     
  8. scottmastrocinque

    scottmastrocinque Scott Mastrocinque GT Famiglia

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    Congratulations!

    I currently own my second V10 Centauro. A 1997 that I bought 3 years ago. My first was a brand new 1998 that I owned for many years.

    I have done everything and anything that you should or could do to a Centauro to make it bullet-proof.

    You are fortunate, Joe Caruso lives in the UK and he is the guy who makes the steel camshaft and oil pump gears, and the oil pump with the roller bearing. The bike’s weakest point is the original oil pump that has no roller bearing in it, and WHEN (not if, but when) the shaft develops a very slight wobble, the teeth of the three gears can collide, causing the oil pump gear to literally EXPLODE and the oil pressure goes to ZERO instantaneously. The steel gears fix this.

    https://woodburymotomedia.com/moto-guzzi-timing-gears-by-joe-caruso/

    The original oil pump is a ticking time bomb and you will want to replace it ASAP. If it goes, it will destroy the engine.

    Private message me and I will share more info with you.

    Again, congratulations on getting the best Moto Guzzi ever made!

    Centauros are just spectacular! Yes, I’m biased, but it’s still true.

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    Ray1150 Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Famiglia

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    Thanks Scott, I will get in touch with him, I was looking at various German oil pump manufacturers, hadn't thought about the gears.
    This is my No 1 priority, I'll probably go the power commander route Todd has indicated after that.
    Any other pointers would be much appreciated.
    pm'd.
     
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    Ray1150 Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Famiglia

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    Got in touch with Joe and he came straight back.
    Lovely stuff, the heart of the problem and what leads to failure of the gears is the pump. The pump that makes up his kit along with some top quality gears and a modified belt pulley shaft flange is supplied by Daes, I'd put the link above previously. Joe is not milking it and sells the pump at the same price as Daes. He does make a good argument for not doing a V11 conversion as he says there is a 20% reduction in flow (not pressure).
     
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    Ray1150 Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Famiglia

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    So, I tried to order an oil pump back in September. I'm pretty sure Joe doesn't do it for a living and produces small batches to order, his next is around December. Daes were out of stock and about to close down for most of September although they said they would be beavering away in the back ground. Long story short I finally paid Daes on Friday and it's on it's way. There is a guzzi wizard over here called Baldrick who I called and asked about oil problems. Interestingly enough he only knew of one letting go on a Daytona. His view is that if you don't thrash it all the time it should be ok. I don't but am always 2 up and running a fast moving shaft without a bearing is not a good idea. Replacing the gears too seems to me dependant on if the oil pump has started to run off centre. The replacement gears are without doubt better quality but the originals will do the job perfectly well. If when I strip it the old oil pump has started to wreck the gears I'll replace.
    Other stuff , H&B rack fitted (wifes back is messed up and she needs the support) lovely quality and after a fruitless search for second hand Mistral cans I had a firm called SP Engineering make me a pair, carbon fibre, 4" diameter. I did put the baffles back in after the wife said she could hear me 3/4 mile away.
    Lastly when I got the bike I noticed the clutch cable was on the final limit of the adjusters, I ordered another one and it was the same.
    Turns out that the MG spec they all use has the inner 30mm too long.
    That's me done, stop spending money on it start riding it! See you in Mandello next year - we're on the green one :happy:
     
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    scottmastrocinque Scott Mastrocinque GT Famiglia

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    Baldrick and I strongly disagree on that one.

    The oil pump shaft wears every time you ride the bike. It is the nature of the design. It has nothing to do with how hard you ride it. There is no bearing support so all lateral thrust on the shaft is transmitted into vibration and rubbing and hence, wear. When this wear causes just enough slop in the system to allow the teeth of the gears to “kiss’ ever so slightly, the aluminum gear will instantly explode into pieces and oil pressure immediately goes to ZERO, and the engine is destroyed in seconds.

    It’s not an “if” but a ‘when”.

    I applaud your oil pump decision. Unfortunately once you open it up, if it needs gears, you will be apart some time if Joe still only makes gears 1 or 2 times a year.

    I always prefer reliability and peace of mind but to each their own..

    Best wishes. Enjoy!

    P.S. I was just looking at this post and couldn’t help but notice my avatar photo. My beliefs also apply to that lovely dual belt drive system for the valve train in that there are those who do not replace the belts as specified by age, and to me, they also flirt with disaster if that belt lets go. Food for thought.
     
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    johnno Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Contributor

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    Belt changing is a must
     

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