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…I have not done this on a 1400 but many others…
…I’m sure you do not have the tools or know how to accomplish this.
I cannot help you any further. You are way too headstrong in your path for me and I will not try and save you from yourself any more.
Good luck…
The problem was that I was asking if anyone had removed that backing plate or not and as you said you have not, if you had said yes I have removed one and don't do it because everything will still be attached, that would have been good enough for me and I would have left it alone. As it was I was flying completely blind and couldn't find anyone that had actually removed one before, therefore I had to do the best I could with what I had. I have managed to remove it with no harm done but there is no way I would try to go any further with it. I was refered to Peter by a couple of people on a another Guzzi forum.I’m fairly certain I tried several times to tell you this was outside your skill set but you would not listen…
Now, I’m saddened to learn of this design disaster by Moto Guzzi but once again, I am not completely surprised by this fact. This is exactly why I do not like any of the 1400/V7/V85/V9 platforms for all sorts of really stupid design issues like this. It’s unfortunate.
I am very grateful for this information you have received and communicated, so THANK YOU!
Just yesterday, I moved my 5 Moto Guzzi motorcycles from my workshop to my home garage, so I had them closer to use and more room in my workshop as I am overloaded from my bout with Covid in July.
I again realized how far superior they all are in every regard, to any of the 1400/V7/V85/V9 platforms, IN MY OPINION.
As I said early on in this thread above, I have never done this on a 1400. I have done this on many BMW’s and others metric bikes. It’s interesting that Pete has never done one of these either. I would have bet money that he had done at least a few!
Pete Roper was once a member here but Pete and Todd here are not friends any longer. It’s very complicated.
I’ve never met the man but I have interacted with him very occasionally in the forum long ago.
My only observation of the man is from photos he has taken where his shop is a real unbelievable disaster area and his work area bench is always like a bomb went off.
I’ve worked briefly with mechanics like him and I tell you that 100% we are not compatible in that regard.
I work like a surgeon on motorcycles. I am obsessive about cleanliness and organization and I have never torn apart anything and put it back together again, and had “leftover” nuts, bolts, washers, etc. I’m not saying that Pete is like that however It has been my experience that mechanics who work sloppy like that, usually have this issue frequently. I could be wrong but I know what I can and cannot abide by, and that type of work is just out of bounds to me.
He is unusual to me but then again, I have admitted many times that there is something very unusual that occurs between Australians and I and we seem to clash. It must be a social custom thing.
Things Australians say and do perplex me more so than I already struggle with non-verbal communication issues.
Regardless, I’m very happy my suggestion worked out for you.
I had the distinct impression that this was more than you were capable of undertaking but you didn’t take my hints.
Good, bad, or indifferent, Pete seems to be the de facto “Moto Guzzi goto guy” down under, so there you go. I am sure you will get it sorted out with him down there in Australia.
Best wishes.
PS: Pete doesn’t speak Italian. I do.
The components are actually named in Italian as
MOTORE (engine),
SCATOLA DEL CAMBIO (gearbox),
TRASMISSIONE, (transmission).
“Bevel drive” is actually a British term used commonly for BMW final drives and Ducati bevel gear driven valves. I’ve even heard the term “Bevel Box” used before in the UK.
In a manner of speaking, Pete is correct in his use of the English word “bevel” as it looks like this and appears to match this particular Moto Guzzi design of pressed together assembly,
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while the BMW crown ring and pinion looks different as it is traditionally bolted or riveted in place.
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Semantics are funny things…
A larger hole in the plate or a small removable section would have made life a whole lot easier but then designers never think about maintenance.Wow, what an ordeal!
I cannot believe MG produced a: bevel-drive/final-drive/transmission/differential that is considered "non serviceable". That seems like lazy engineering to me.
Jason
I was refered to Peter by a couple of people on a another Guzzi forum.
You’re in Australia. Call Pete Roper in Bungedore at Moda Moto. I’m sure he’s done several of these on 1400’s
A 2 minute phone call will get you what you need.
I had sent an email to Peter before you mentioned him, he had already made an offer to help through another member of the forum I posted on. Not that it matters really.That’s good but I distinctly remember sending you towards him.
I’m not the ogre some would make me out to be.
I’m looking forward to reviewing the manual and I’ll bet those threaded holes are indeed designed to allow you to insert bolts and “pop or pull” the assembly apart, but that you are supposed to heat it first to loosen everything up.
Rarely, if ever, have I seen a design specification by the designing engineer, that requires “dropping the whole thing on the bench a few times” or other such behavior!
Lastly, there is no such thing as a “long” post.
There are only impatient readers.
I love longer detailed writings. They are a source of much information.
Not everything can be adequately communicated in 3 sentences or less, especially technical information.
Again, good luck!
Pete will get you right as rain I’m sure.
Someday I’d like to actually meet the man.