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[scottmastrocinque]

BS and wear and 13k km is jack in the wear and tear department.

Fwiw my '13 V7 Stone is at about 15k miles and never had any warranty claim under the 2 year warranty anyway.

Forums largely attract people with problems looking for solutions. We can't tell a thing about real world statistics from them.

But thinking about the many owners of modern smallblocks I know a warranty claim is far from a guarantee.

Kev M, attempts to use his anecdotal personal experience as proof of no issues. Ok, sure. Right.

The fact is, any knowledgable owner of any modern Guzzi, knows that there are always issues. In fact, contrary to what he said here, Kev M himself has used aftermarket software to fix rideability running issues on his bike. He failed to mention that here but he says a whole lot about it on Wildgoose Chase Moto Guzzi forum (among his other 25,029+ posts) He's also said, when explaining the issues with Moto Guzzis, "...but this is Guzzi and stranger things have happened". Curious, I thought he said there was nothing to be concerned about. Oh well.

qportx, do some research and go into this with your eyes open and understand that Moto Guzzi, is a Boutique Hand builder of motorcycles of about 10,000 per year for the whole world. They do not have an ultra modern factory with super high-tech assembly lines and robots, etc. They make mistakes and sometimes, they can be really big and should affect your decision making process.

Have you used the search function on these forums here and typed in "V7 II problem" and seen what comes back.

How about this...I don't know, "motor being replaced due to missing crank thrust bearings" seems kind of not "BS" to me; Kev M's calling my post BS not withstanding...






Or...



How about Kev M's own words (there are LOTS more too)



Be smart. Take a couple of hours to search the forums, read the issues others have had, not to disuade you but to open your eyes, and to help you become informed and understand something about the motorcycle you are wanting to purchase other than you like or don't like the previous owner. If you do this, you will be one step further along on your journey to become a real and happy Guzziisti.

I am excited to see a picture of your new motorcycle soon.

Best Wishes and Good Luck!

 

[Kev M]

Kev M, attempts to use his anecdotal personal experience as proof of no issues. Ok, sure. Right.

The fact is, any knowledgable owner of any modern Guzzi, knows that there are always issues. In fact, contrary to what he said here, Kev M himself has used aftermarket software to fix rideability running issues on his bike. He failed to mention that here but he says a whole lot about it on Wildgoose Chase Moto Guzzi forum (among his other 25,029+ posts) He's also said, when explaining the issues with Moto Guzzis, "...but this is Guzzi and stranger things have happened". Curious, I thought he said there was nothing to be concerned about. Oh well.

How about this...I don't know, "motor being replaced due to missing crank thrust bearings" seems kind of not "BS" to me; Kev M's calling my post BS not withstanding...

How about Kev M's own words (there are LOTS more too)

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Wow, that's a lot of effort to misquote me and counter my view with straw man arguments.

Btw, I am NOT running aftermarket software or maps on my V7, nor the other V7's I've been referencing. You'll notice my quote says nothing about that.

The cold start "problem" basically amounts to letting my bike warm up for a minute or so before riding off. Silly, but hardly unforgivable.

I've been posting on WG for over a decade. Yeah there are a lot of posts but most are not about "problems" they are about:

Maintenance
Accessories
Rides
Other events
Other bikes/brands
Life, etc.

I have had some bothersome Guzzis, but they've been getting better and better since my first.

My V7 has really only needed the voltage regulator replaced and even that was debatable.

My point on forums in general is you tend to hear the bad and not a balanced view of the big picture.

Your mention of thrust bearing motors is off point because by 13,000 km it should have shown up by now.

Btw, have any of those motors been in other markets? Just curious.

No matter. I just didn't want you to brow beat the OP into thinking he was doomed no matter what, though that seems to be what you may have accomplished.

 

[scottmastrocinque]

...No matter. I just didn't want you to brow beat the OP into thinking he was doomed no matter what, though that seems to be what you may have accomplished.

Kev M - I've run into you before and quite frankly, you're a jerk with a abrasive opinion on virtually every damn thing. In an effort to prop yourself up and look like the big-shot you fancy yourself as, you called my opinion that I shared with qportx, at his request, "BS" and that I "brow-beat" him. I have something for you on that buddy.



You talk out both sides of your mouth, over at Wildgoose Chase promoting Beetle map crap and such while badmouthing Todd and the PCV/Autotune setup he developed for us (yeah, I have it, installed it myself, worked first time perfect, and it ROCKS - Pete Roper is a loudmouth wanker who's was too inept to get it to work and never misses a beat to badmouth it and Todd.) You seem to get involved in almost every discussion of an issue, and then act as if Moto Guzzi has nothing at all to be wise and aware about, but then do a 180 flip-flop and post shit like this about how every 8V is crap and you don't even own one! You just like to hear yourself talk and act the big-man on campus. I recognize your type and frankly, I cannot stand you.



I didn't brow beat qporx. I answered his original request for opinions and gave some reasons as to why I answered as I did and that to go into it with his eyes open and be informed. He's 24, and as he said, 6,000 Euro is a lot of money to him. He stated his appreciation for what I offered to him and knows that I wish him the very best experience he can possibly have. I help people here. It's what I like to do. Furthermore, when it comes to 20-something year old males, motorcycles, and advice, I'm a damn seasoned pro from my own 3 sons (24, 23, 21).

As to bringing up the thrust bearing motor issue, it refutes 100% your cavalier and laisee-faire attitude. For fucks sake KevM, the young man could have been duped into buying a thrust bearing motor, or one with a different issue that he may have been totally unaware of. I told him to get information, be informed, and that a dealer warranty and lower mileage had value. That's not fantasy, it's fact! Those things have tremendous value! You do him a disservice for just summarily dismissing them as of no value.

Have you ever actually HELPED somebody out on any forum and given an actual solution to a problem? All you ever do is throw your 2 cent opinion in, which in my estimation, is exactly what it's actually worth.

Next time, if you have something to say, why don't you just say it without calling somebody else's post Bullshit. Or better yet, offer something of substance and assistance instead of pontificating on other people's posts.

 

[Kev M]

Kev M - I've run into you before and quite frankly, you're a jerk with a abrasive opinion on virtually every damn thing. In an effort to prop yourself up and look like the big-shot you fancy yourself as, you called my opinion that I shared with qportx, at his request, "BS" and that I "brow-beat" him. I have something for you on that buddy.

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You talk out both sides of your mouth, over at Wildgoose Chase promoting Beetle map crap and such while badmouthing Todd and the PCV/Autotune setup he developed for us (yeah, I have it, installed it myself, worked first time perfect, and it ROCKS - Pete Roper is a loudmouth wanker who's was too inept to get it to work and never misses a beat to badmouth it and Todd.) You seem to get involved in almost every discussion of an issue, and then act as if Moto Guzzi has nothing at all to be wise and aware about, but then do a 180 flip-flop and post shit like this about how every 8V is crap and you don't even own one! You just like to hear yourself talk and act the big-man on campus. I recognize your type and frankly, I cannot stand you.

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I didn't brow beat qporx. I answered his original request for opinions and gave some reasons as to why I answered as I did and that to go into it with his eyes open and be informed. He's 24, and as he said, 6,000 Euro is a lot of money to him. He stated his appreciation for what I offered to him and knows that I wish him the very best experience he can possibly have. I help people here. It's what I like to do. Furthermore, when it comes to 20-something year old males, motorcycles, and advice, I'm a damn seasoned pro from my own 3 sons (24, 23, 21).

As to bringing up the thrust bearing motor issue, it refutes 100% your cavalier and laisee-faire attitude. For fucks sake KevM, the young man could have been duped into buying a thrust bearing motor, or one with a different issue that he may have been totally unaware of. I told him to get information, be informed, and that a dealer warranty and lower mileage had value. That's not fantasy, it's fact! Those things have tremendous value! You do him a disservice for just summarily dismissing them as of no value.

Have you ever actually HELPED somebody out on any forum and given an actual solution to a problem? All you ever do is throw your 2 cent opinion in, which in my estimation, is exactly what it's actually worth.

Next time, if you have something to say, why don't you just say it without calling somebody else's post Bullshit. Or better yet, offer something of substance and assistance instead of pontificating on other people's posts.

I'll just leave this whole thing here for posterity. It insults you way more than it does me.

Ride safe

Kev

 

[scottmastrocinque]

I'll just leave this whole thing here for posterity. It insults you way more than it does me.

Ride safe

Kev

LMAO. Ok.

At least you're consistent on the effect you have on people...






Yeah, you "ride safe" yourself except I won't bow down and kiss your ass later because you have 25,000+ posts, and your friends gang up on me and chastise me for calling you out for who and what you are.

I don't back down when I get this pissed and I stand by what I said, every word.


qportx, good luck with your purchase! Be sure to come add it to the registry with a picture so we can see it!

 

[Kev M]

LMAO. Ok.

At least you're consistent on the effect you have on people...

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Yeah, you "ride safe" yourself except I won't bow down and kiss your ass later because you have 25,000+ posts, and your friends gang up on me and chastise me for calling you out for who and what you are.

I don't back down when I get this pissed and I stand by what I said, every word.

Ok tough guy whatever.

Hmm, here's a thought, maybe he apologized for that because he thought about it and felt it was out of line.

I know I apologize to people when I screw up.

Hell I would even apologize to you if you were offended by my original response, despite your behavior since.

You see that's how adults act.