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TECH: U.S. Turn-signal UPDATE

Discussion in 'Stelvio Chat & Tech' started by GTM®, Mar 10, 2009.

  1. GTM®

    GTM® Administrator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    Subject: Stelvio Turn Signals

    Together with our colleagues in Italy, Moto Guzzi USA has reached an agreement with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) regarding the rear view mirror / turn signal component for the Stelvio model. The problem being addressed is regarding the turn signal lens. As installed, currently available rearview mirrors, meet all DOT turn signal lens requirements, but do not have the proper DOT identification molded into the lens.
    The agreement consists of two parts; first that the rearview mirror / turn signal components already in the US, either in Spare Parts stock, with the dealers or installed on a motorcycle may be used without further concern; second, that all future production of the turn signal lens will have proper DOT identification.

    If there are any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact your Technical Services Representative.

    Best regards,
    Aftersales Group
    Moto Guzzi USA
     
  2. Mike.C

    Mike.C GT Reference

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    Bureaucratic BS - Gotta love it and role with it or you will go mad trying to understand why they do it. :S
     
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    John in PA Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Contributor

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    Shucks! And here I already changed mine out for the Non-US approved Euro version with 1200 Sport mirrors, and turn signals integral with the bodywork. ( If anyone else wants to, MPH in Houston has kits already configured and in stock.) Pretty much plug and play.
     
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    pauldaytona Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    The USA could save a lot of money for it's citizens if they just approved the euro approved things, but that would be to easy, won't it?
     
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    Most of all, it'd be the beginning of the end for the US, and invalidate too many predictions of too many sci-fi novels :silly:
     
  6. StormShearon

    StormShearon Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    But then in fairness, Europe would have to approve all of our stupid rules, and where would that get all the beaurocrats? Out of jobs and having to work at real jobs for a change. Can't have that - too many would starve. ;)
     
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    kwn306 High Miler

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    John in PA wrote:
    Do you know whether you can use both sets of lights at the same time or would that overload the flasher/circuit....they do make HD units though or does Luigi use some one of a kind off brand flasher. :silly:

    As a commuter I like all the lights I can get to let the cages know what my intensions are. If they were run in series they would flash at the same time, in parallel on alternate times. I think.................do I have that right/wrong?
     
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    You probably have it right/left ;) There'd be an imperceptibly small interval between the lights. They're not LEDs, I suppose, but if you run both you could use LED replacement bulbs to reduce power draw — and since resistances mounted in series add, you might even get a reasonable frequency without resorting to additional correcting resistances.
     
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    RJVB wrote:
    If using LED's you would need an electronic flasher and then add a resistance to it. I had to do that on my Concours. If using regular bulbs you would just have to change out the flasher to a HD like you would use when trailering (adding a set of lights). I like the idea of adding additional lights to the front (turn signals) I would just want them to alternately flash to get someone's attention.
     
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    The Stelvio flasher is the electronic dashboard. It is not a mechanical flasher.

    So, a second set of lights or LED type may be a non issue.

    OR.
    The extra load may toast the electronic driving the bulb.
    OR.
    It appears it is set up to detect a bad bulb. So it may give and error code.


    But, I'll bet you could add two signals on each side. Use an incadescent for one set and LED for the other. Wire the LED one to +12 instead of ground. It would always be on, as a running light. And it would flash opposite of the incandescent.
     
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    Forseti Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    Re: Re:TECH: U.S. Turn-signal UPDATE

    Has anyone actually done this?? I am liking the sound of it!
     
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    I will be switching out mirrors and doing the rewire on my new NTX and yesterday I took off the side covers to see what I will be dealing with.
    Here's what I found:




    There seems to be a socket plug there with two wire holes that run thru but nothing more:



    I don't know if these are usable or not.
    The actual lense is impossibly secures with an Allen bolt up in the inside and looks like it may be a real pain in the ass to get out.

    Does anyone know if there are wire sets close by for the "proper turn signals or will I have to take them down from the mirrors and use those?
     

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    You'll see posted elsewhere a doctored version of the housing you have (you can remove the paint and install a bulb socket/wiring), or you can purchase the whole assembly (& 1200S mirrors) from MPH in Houston (tell them we sent you) that is plug and play. On the pre-'12 models, you simply unplug the stock plug that feeds the mirrors, and plug into the correct assembly/location.
     
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    Remember reading that post on doctoring the existing but damned if I can find it now. Anyone?
     
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    Just ordered my mirrors and euro kit from MPH. Very professional place I must add. Shipping into Canada was also reasonable. I have shipped smaller things in Canada and paid more.

    Anyhow, you say on the "pre-'12" models you disconnect the stock plug and plug it in. Do you not do the same thing on the 2012 model. Is there another set of wires for the 2012.
     
  16. BravoBravo

    BravoBravo Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    Once your kit arrives, if you feel like taking a ride down to London, I would be happy to give you a hand on the installation. I recently did the same operation to my '09 Stelvio. Send me a PM if you want to do that, and I will provide you with my street address and contact number.

    Others may correct me if I am mistaken, but I believe the procedure is the same for your 2012 model as for the older ones.

    Cheers,

    Bruce
     
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    Thanks Bruce, may take you up on that. Always up for a nice ride..........

    Joe
     
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    Sounds good, Joe!

    Bruce
     
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    Can somebody who has done this conversion tell me about your results please? I am contemplating this but I do like the turn signals in the mirrors simply from a visibility standpoint. I ride with the auxiliary lights on all the time, and I am concerned that the turn signls will be significantly diminished visually by the headlights and auxiliary lights.

    Did you see a huge improvement in mirror stability? Otherwise, I am inclined to try the liquid BarSnake product.

    Thanks for any experience you can share.
     
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    mohawkeye Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    200% improvement for me! The right mirror (w/turn signal) had vibrated OFF - I had to tape it to the housing (and that had happened in the first 1000 miles). While I don't have aux lights (yet), the euro turn signals are 100% brighter than the US in-mirror version. And there is ZERO vibration in the new left mirror and a small amount in the right.
     

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