DronkBergie
Tuned and Synch'ed
I do understand.
I genuinely am trying to help you. Relax, take a deep breath, and know that nothing will bring me greater satisfaction and joy, than if we can get you out of the weeds here.
Contrary to Skivoās claims, I am not voicing my frustration at new people (like you) and most certainly it isnāt ācategoricalā.
I tried the soft approach āIām sorry. I donāt mean to be rude or mean or harsh but seriouslyā¦ā but that got nowhere at all.
You continued to ask for information which you yourself said you had in front of you! How could this be? If you had the information right there, then why would you be asking for that information? I found this perplexing.
Look, yes, I do this for a living. Hence, I listen very carefully to what people say so that I can fix their motorcycles for them as quickly and efficiently as I can which is precisely what I am trying to do here for you.
Again, contrary to Skivoās claims, Iām not āabusingā you or anybody else here. There have been some āCome to Jesusā moments, of which this is one, where I had to get the attention of the original poster because they were thrashing in the water like a drowning man. Then, the poster stopped, listened, followed my logic and instructions and miracle of miracle, the bike was fixed almost immediately.
Although heās been here 2 years, I donāt believe you will find a single thread of Skivoās here, (they are searchable if you click his username anyplace here) where he has invested any time in helping somebody diagnose and repair their problem. Enough said about thatā¦
Iāve carefully reviewed what you have written.
I follow the principle of āall things being equal, the simplest answer is usually correctā.
To run, you need:
1. A competent cylinder. YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED THIS. Thank you.
2. Spark. YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED THIS. Thank you.
3. Fuel. To the best of my ability and understanding, I cannot find where you state categorically that you found this to be functioning properly on both sides.
Skivo says he thinks it is your pickups. Itās a possibility but I feel that it is probably unlikely but worthy of consideration later perhaps if fueling checks out. The reason I say this is where you wrote this:
If your timing or pickups were screwed up, as Skivo thinks, how could you possibly explain this behavior?
The motorcycle with messed up pickups and screwed up timing, magically all of a sudden, runs fine, then like a fart in the wind, it disappears into chaos again? Somebody explain to me how this feat of magic could occur because I cannot explain it except in one term, fuel starvation, not timing or ignition. I could be wrong but I donāt see it. Iām just a man and not a superhero or god, so I cannot be 100% sure but I feel pretty confident that the facts support my conclusions.
Only you can decide.
Carburetors can be exceptionally cantankerous sons of bitches sometimes.
We can disassemble them and clean them and put them back together thinking we did everything correctly and god damn it, the thing wonāt work!
Trust me, I feel your frustration and completely understand.
Iāve been there and in fact, today, in a few hours, I have to deal with this exact same issue on a very complex Honda V45 Magna, 4 carburetor setup which I will be taking out for the 3rd time. (Photos at bottom). This setup is 1000x more complicated than what you have there but the PRINCIPLE of carburetor operation, is the same and the cause of my running issues is also the same as yours in my estimation. The difference here is that I only have your words to go on with regard to your specific situation. No āhands onā is possible.
Same exact situation as yours. Ran fine, gave to customer, sat for winter, wouldnāt run, cleaned again, ran fine, then, wouldnāt run againā¦Believe me, I feel your pain! Really I do. This is why I am trying to help you!
In my case, the motorcycle owner had put a green chemical inside the fuel tank that literally destroyed the zinc coating inside the tank and caused superfine metal particles to bind to the brass jets and atomizers and also go all into the passageways of the carbs (yes, he obviously did not use a fuel filter between the fuel tank and the carburetors!). I sure hope you do.
Some fine particles are again lodged in the internal passageways of one or more of the 4 carburetor bank, Iām positive.
So today, again, 8 hours of complex removal, then disassembly and meticulous cleaning and checking and then reassembly and reinstallation ā¦ugh.
Yes, I know your frustration and pain and I hate it too!
In the past where I have dealt with this kind of cuckoo behavior of the carburetor, I have invariably found it to be some small tiny debris that has lodged inside of the internal passageways of the carburetor in a location that you cannot immediately see with your naked eye.
The runs, wonāt run, runs, wonāt run depends if fuel and/or air can get past this blockage and in what quantity.
In your writings you allude to but I am unsure if you personally rebuilt your carburetors.
1. If you did, when you did this, did you strip the carburetor bodies completely down to the bare housing?
2. If so, how did you go about cleaning both the carburetor bodies AND the internal jets and atomizers?
3. Did you have access to compressed air to blow out the passageways of the carburetor body?
4. Have you gone and set all of the requested settings you asked about, to the factory start points? i.e. 2nd notch on the main needle, 23mm float height, 1.5 turns out from the idle needle, etc.
Lastly, I apologize that I didn't initially see it because it was within the quotation you made, but you wrote,
I wasn't completely clear what you were supposed to be smelling for.
If you have a carburetor that is functioning, but the cylinder is not firing, even in a linked exhaust, your nose would immediately detect the strong smell of raw, unburnt gasoline in the exhaust pipe. When you sniffed it, it would be quite overpowering. If you did not smell this very strong smell of unburnt gasoline, then the fuel is not moving through the carburetor on the side where it is not firing.
This also supports my initial diagnosis of fuel starvation on that carburetor.
If you wish, letās start fresh here and follow a logical course of information collection and analysis and a proper āprocess of eliminationā.
Iāve given you the free gift of my time and effort to help you. I ask for nothing for doing this because I genuinely want to help you.
If you donāt want my help because you feel that as Skivo says, I have āabusedā you, then simply say āNo Thanks, Scottā and I will go away and leave you in peace with no hard feelings at all and my best wishes.
Either way, I wish you success with your motorcycle.
Best wishes,
Scott
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There is a post on my Facebook webpage down the post list, that talks about some carburetors I have done last year. There are over 400 photos. You can decide for yourself if perhaps I may be reasonably qualified to give you a decent opinion.
Or maybe, Skivo is correct and I just abuse people for my fun and jolliesā¦
Iām sorry but all I can say to his slander is āWhat an Asshole thing to sayā¦ā.
Afternoon Scott, i thank you for taking the time to respond you sound like a very busy guy and yet try to help noobs like me over the internet. I read everything you said and what everyone else posted thanks people i unfortunately dont have the time to individually respond to everyone's post but i do see it.
@ Scott the way you explained everything to me makes alot more sense, i am busy taking off the Carbs as im typing here
I will take photos of every step as i strip and post it later tonight or in the morning
BTW this is my first time on any sort of forum and everyone is so willing to help
Thanks to everyone taking the time responding.
i have mentioned to you that i am positive my carbs are clean... i guess not as clean as i thought... the reason i was so persistent is because even when the carbs were shining that time after restoration the bike had exactly the same issues even after standing for year..
i cant afford that atm especially if im not 100% sure that its going to fix my problem.
