I need to add a little oil to my Norge but neither the mechanic or myself can find the filler cap. The last time I added the oil through the dip stick. Its probably right in front of me. The manual does not give the location. Any help out there?
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Where is the oil filler cap
- Thread starter drmike176
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azccj
Cruisin' Guzzisti
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I'm assuming you have a Norge with the new pull out yellow dipstick, which is what I have. If so, go to the auto parts store and get two of those small $6.00 plastic pumps that you use to pump gear oil into auto transmissions. Use one pump for the pumping and use the hard plastic tubing from the other pump and stick it into the flexible hose. This is what I use and it works like a charm. The hard plastic hose fits into the dipstick hole perfectly and doesn't spill a drop of oil when you pump the oil in. 
Using a funnel to top off the oil is next to impossible unless you don't mind spilling oil all over the place. It seems that someone at Guzzi signed off on the Norge fairing design without anyone figuring out that the fairing gets in the way of filling and checking the engine oil.
Using a funnel to top off the oil is next to impossible unless you don't mind spilling oil all over the place. It seems that someone at Guzzi signed off on the Norge fairing design without anyone figuring out that the fairing gets in the way of filling and checking the engine oil.
drmike176 wrote:
Lordy, you sound like a beemerist.
Hey, could be worse. If you had a TLM dipstick and find out you need to add oil on the road, sans funnel. Couldn't even find one in WalMart, and they have everything.
So, what to do?
No big deal ... necessity is a mom, etc.
Regards,
Bill
Lordy, you sound like a beemerist.
Hey, could be worse. If you had a TLM dipstick and find out you need to add oil on the road, sans funnel. Couldn't even find one in WalMart, and they have everything.
So, what to do?
No big deal ... necessity is a mom, etc.
Regards,
Bill
sbaker
Cruisin' Guzzisti
Hello;
I have the "new" yellow dip stick. Pull the dip stick, remove the remaining bolt/nut.... And you will have a "normal" sized hole that will take a "normal" funnel.
SO, the question is whether to carry a turkey baster or a socket, extension and swivle (it's not a straight shot from the fairing to the oil fill hole.
It's rather inconvenient no matter what... But that is the trade off for a full faired bike.... not really a issue once you figure out a reliable solution. However, do it BEFORE you leave on a long trip....
I have the "new" yellow dip stick. Pull the dip stick, remove the remaining bolt/nut.... And you will have a "normal" sized hole that will take a "normal" funnel.
SO, the question is whether to carry a turkey baster or a socket, extension and swivle (it's not a straight shot from the fairing to the oil fill hole.
It's rather inconvenient no matter what... But that is the trade off for a full faired bike.... not really a issue once you figure out a reliable solution. However, do it BEFORE you leave on a long trip....
guzzibob
GT Reference
Geez, talk about making a mountain out of a molehill. I have a Norge with the yellow dipstick. Too big a pain to pull off all the plastic to get at & remove the black bolt at the bottom, then put it all back, IMHO. I use the same "funnel" method I have been using on various Guzzis for decades. I like to save the nice shiney paper wasted on stupid political ads sent to my house, roll them up in a funnel shape with a bottom hole appropriate to the hole you get after pulling the dipstick, leaving the black bottom bolt as is, and a top not so wide that you can't get it down behind the fairing, then use about an inch worth of duct tape to hold the funnel together in your chosen shape. Insert & pour as slowly as you need to, pull & toss. No need to clean the thing, or worry about it collecting dust to go in to your crank next time.
It helps that I have chosen to permanently remove the rearward fairing piece, & replaced the red (or whatever) belly pan with the flat black chin piece that comes with the Breva or the base model Norge (not available in the US) for my own reasons (cooler in my opinion in hot LA, plus permanently easier access, inc no need to remove the belly pan if I need/want to jack up the bike from under the pan. Anytime I add oil I just remove the 2 allen bolts at the rear of the fairng piece that goes over the dipstick, so the plastic piece flexes out a bit making it even easier to fit the funnel in there. The whole drain/fill operation takes, I don't know, 20-30 minutes? Also real easy to add a bit on a long trip if I feel the need, using whatever suitable paper I can find, like local attraction ads at most motels.
It helps that I have chosen to permanently remove the rearward fairing piece, & replaced the red (or whatever) belly pan with the flat black chin piece that comes with the Breva or the base model Norge (not available in the US) for my own reasons (cooler in my opinion in hot LA, plus permanently easier access, inc no need to remove the belly pan if I need/want to jack up the bike from under the pan. Anytime I add oil I just remove the 2 allen bolts at the rear of the fairng piece that goes over the dipstick, so the plastic piece flexes out a bit making it even easier to fit the funnel in there. The whole drain/fill operation takes, I don't know, 20-30 minutes? Also real easy to add a bit on a long trip if I feel the need, using whatever suitable paper I can find, like local attraction ads at most motels.
Brian UK
GT Reference
sbaker wrote:
Just that the idiot designers that guzzi now employ see form over function every time. Having made the mistake on the early Norges, they then did the same on the Stelvio.
Not so, I have a Spada III, which is fully faired,and a Guzzi of course, and topping up the oil , or checking the level is no problem at all.
Just that the idiot designers that guzzi now employ see form over function every time. Having made the mistake on the early Norges, they then did the same on the Stelvio.
ncassidy
Cruisin' Guzzisti
I machined down a piece of PTFE to fit the dipstick hole, then attached a 15" piece of clear plastic hose to it, then a small funnel to the other end of the hose. Works slick. I have about 4 others made up if anyone is interested. Price will be reasonable.
Bill Hagan wrote:
This is new? I used cut up Coke bottles to add oil to my 850T when I was travelling. No different with the Norge. Main hassle with the Norge is the fancy oil, the T would take anything! If the Norge starts using oil on long trips I'll have to bring my own.
Probably have to be a little fancier with the pocket knife to get a suitable pouring lip for the TLM fitting than I had to be with the T's, filler but can't see that as being much of a problem.
Zebee
Hey, could be worse. If you had a TLM dipstick and find out you need to add oil on the road, sans funnel. Couldn't even find one in WalMart, and they have everything.
So, what to do?
This is new? I used cut up Coke bottles to add oil to my 850T when I was travelling. No different with the Norge. Main hassle with the Norge is the fancy oil, the T would take anything! If the Norge starts using oil on long trips I'll have to bring my own.
Probably have to be a little fancier with the pocket knife to get a suitable pouring lip for the TLM fitting than I had to be with the T's, filler but can't see that as being much of a problem.
Zebee
zebee wrote:
zebee wrote:
Actually, it is much easier to fill my EV on the road using the route you mention, but the Norge is a bit of a PITA.
And, as Sam notes, planning ahead helps, but the initial oil usage following engine rebuild was more than I expected (which is not the same as what I SHOULD have expected), so I was caught unawares by the amount I needed to add. Now that it has settled in, seems to use little to none, and I hope not to need field-expedient solutions such as you mention.
But I assure you that the slow-filling TLM tube is a bit of a challenge over the relatively large mouth of the standard fill hole, and is especially so if you muck it up and need to clean up spillage on the road. And, as you mention, the shamefully expensive oil makes you want to wring the clean-up rags into the funnel! :woohoo:
Bill
Bill Hagan wrote:
Hey, could be worse. If you had a TLM dipstick and find out you need to add oil on the road, sans funnel. Couldn't even find one in WalMart, and they have everything.
So, what to do?
zebee wrote:
Actually, it is much easier to fill my EV on the road using the route you mention, but the Norge is a bit of a PITA.
And, as Sam notes, planning ahead helps, but the initial oil usage following engine rebuild was more than I expected (which is not the same as what I SHOULD have expected), so I was caught unawares by the amount I needed to add. Now that it has settled in, seems to use little to none, and I hope not to need field-expedient solutions such as you mention.
But I assure you that the slow-filling TLM tube is a bit of a challenge over the relatively large mouth of the standard fill hole, and is especially so if you muck it up and need to clean up spillage on the road. And, as you mention, the shamefully expensive oil makes you want to wring the clean-up rags into the funnel! :woohoo:
Bill
ncassidy
Cruisin' Guzzisti
I carry a 13" clear plastic tube with a plastic ending that fits the dipstick hole to make adding oil on the road easier then having to remove all the plastic. To pour down the tube a dry gas bottle can be used to prevent oil from going all over the place. The tube can be carried under the seat. I believe the tube opening is 3/4".
xbrit
Just got it firing!
Welcome to the Guzzi sadist club!, I've got the Teo Lamers extension and bought some 5/8 clear plastic tubing which I stick onto the end of a funnel and it works fine. Good Luck.