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Starting problem...

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j duncan cooper

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It's 25 degrees here in Cleveland. My Stelvio has been on the centerstand in my garage for about 7 weeks. I go out to start it to warm it up and charge the battery...
It starts, runs normally for about 1 second then shuts off. The oil pressure symbol comes onto the instrument panel. Shut the key off, turn it back on again: the fuel pump whirs and the instrument panel is normal. Re-attempt to start and the same thing occurs. Go through this process about 5 times...same thing.

The bike ran like a Rolex when I shut it down in early Dec.

Any thoughts from the experts out there ?
 
What oil are you using?

That is a crappy way to charge the battery, and you may cause water condensation in the oil if you don't get it fully warm.
 
Does the oil pressure symbol come on with the bike running or after shutdown? Also the best way to charge the battery is with a charger. Gizzimoto is correct that you don't want to charge the way you are attempting.
 
Doesn't sound electrical as it cranked over well. ECU won't let it turn over if the voltage is two low and the fact that it turned over several times is a good indication of a good battery (at least for now but I am sure it can now use a charge)

Oil pressure may be a red herring. Mine will do that if it sits for a very long time. My V-Strom does the same thing after sitting for the winter.

Sounds more like a fuel issue. May have had some water in the tank and now froze in the line and restricted the flow. If you are up to it, you can pull the injectors and see if fuel comes out of the line when you turn the key. Just be very careful as it comes out fast and hard.

May also be that it is just stone cold combined with some dirty TB. Have seen bikes with the same symptoms. When you start it, give the throttle a quarter turn at the same time and see what happens. Mine used to do the same thing until I sprayed the TB's but a 1/4 turn of the throttle always fixed it. Still do it out of habit.
 
canuck1969 said:
Doesn't sound electrical as it cranked over well. ECU won't let it turn over if the voltage is two low and the fact that it turned over several times is a good indication of a good battery (at least for now but I am sure it can now use a charge)

Oil pressure may be a red herring. Mine will do that if it sits for a very long time. My V-Strom does the same thing after sitting for the winter.

Sounds more like a fuel issue. May have had some water in the tank and now froze in the line and restricted the flow. If you are up to it, you can pull the injectors and see if fuel comes out of the line when you turn the key. Just be very careful as it comes out fast and hard.

May also be that it is just stone cold combined with some dirty TB. Have seen bikes with the same symptoms. When you start it, give the throttle a quarter turn at the same time and see what happens. Mine used to do the same thing until I sprayed the TB's but a 1/4 turn of the throttle always fixed it. Still do it out of habit.
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I kinda agree. When it starts I can rev it for about a second before it shuts down. I put "real" non-ethanol gas in it before I put it up for the winter. It will be above freezing in the next few days, and I'll try again.
 
After shutdown it may just be signaling a loss of pressure since the engine has stopped. Have you read your error codes? If so what codes (if any) are being displayed.
 
I recall a chap with a similar problem some time ago. Turned out the fuel was leaking out through a loose clamp on the internal fuel pump as pressure built up.
 
Mackers said:
I recall a chap with a similar problem some time ago. Turned out the fuel was leaking out through a loose clamp on the internal fuel pump as pressure built up.
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I think you may be on to something. It DOES seem fuel related. I'm hoping there is perhaps a bit of water frozen in the fuel line; but I'll have to wait until it warms up to try that hypothesis.
 
50 degrees F in Cleveland today. Went to start the bike, and it died the first time. Shook the bike to swirl the fuel, hoping to dislodge any potential ice.
Attempt #2.....
Started right up. Like nothing had happened. Here's my hypothesis:
Before winterization I stopped at a gas station that sold non-oxygenated gas. It's $4 /gal , and they don't sell much of it, except to anal MG guys like me. Consequently it sits in the storage tank much longer than the high-turnover unleaded with ethanol. THAT, I believe made it more susceptible to water intrusion; which then froze as the fuel temp went below 32F.

Non the less it runs like the gem when I bought it. I let it idle in the garage just to listen to the intoxicating noise it makes. There are none better.

Thanks to all who participated in my angst.
 
Long long ago, when I lived in Ohio, a popular chain of fuel stations was Sohio. They are now owned by BP.
They had a 'no fuel line freeze' deal. They had an 'additive' in their fuel that stopped fuel lines from freezing.
It was alcohol.
At low levels, I still believe alcohol is mostly harmless, and may be even beneficial. I have never gone out of my way to avoid it. I just use the cheap swill, sold at the highest volumes so it is freshest.
 
Glad you found the problem. U can throw some gas line antifreeze in if you want the water out of the tank.

Gas line antifreeZe is pretty much pure methanol or Iso propyl alcohol. All it does is dilute the water phase in your tank so it will burn.
 
WayneOrwig said:
Long long ago, when I lived in Ohio, a popular chain of fuel stations was Sohio. They are now owned by BP.
They had a 'no fuel line freeze' deal. They had an 'additive' in their fuel that stopped fuel lines from freezing.
It was alcohol.
At low levels, I still believe alcohol is mostly harmless, and may be even beneficial. I have never gone out of my way to avoid it. I just use the cheap swill, sold at the highest volumes so it is freshest.
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Well I remember that commercial. Mid 60's I think.
Standard Oil of Ohio = SOHIO. Originally owned by John D Rockefeller.
 
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