treetop flyer
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Has anyone had the experience of replacing there stock exhaust with Mistral or other. it looks like separating the muffler from the flex mesh pipe is a trick . can someone give me any ideas .thank you, Don
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Calif 1400 Muffler Mods?
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kiwi dave
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I couldn't get mine apart until the headers broke and they could be removed separately. Good luck!
I used lots of WD40 and a rubber mallet.
roadventure
GT Reference
The first time you remove the stock mufflers you will probably need to use some penetrating lubricant.
Also, what *really* helps is if you try and rotate each exhaust left/right around its axis (after lubing of course.)
Good luck.
Good luck.
treetop flyer
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Thanks Guys for your response .it looks like it may be easier to drop the whole exhaust and work on it..
kiwi dave
GT Reference
That would be the goal, as long as you can convince the balance pipe to release on one side at least.
treetop flyer
Just got it firing!
Your right thanks
Hi TreeTop,
It has been a few weeks, and I think you are already there with the exhaust project. I needed to remove my muffler after only one thousand miles, so penetrating oil was not necessary. However, I still had to get the mufflers off the header pipes. I found that a 24" (or so) 2x3 against the joint of the muffler and a wack with a hammer worked wonderfully. I would consider penetrating oil as well as some muffler rotation in your case in addition to using the tool I suggest in the accompanying photograph. Naturally, I applied a coat of Permatex Anti-Seize Lubricant before reassembling them.
It has been a few weeks, and I think you are already there with the exhaust project. I needed to remove my muffler after only one thousand miles, so penetrating oil was not necessary. However, I still had to get the mufflers off the header pipes. I found that a 24" (or so) 2x3 against the joint of the muffler and a wack with a hammer worked wonderfully. I would consider penetrating oil as well as some muffler rotation in your case in addition to using the tool I suggest in the accompanying photograph. Naturally, I applied a coat of Permatex Anti-Seize Lubricant before reassembling them.
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treetop flyer
Just got it firing!
Hi Dennisj thank u for that .I haven't done anything as of yet,my muffler is on good,someone told me to apply heat with a torch and try twisting it .i just don't want to break anything,everything cost big on this machine .
Treetop, I don't see the model bike you own listed in your profile, only that you live in Dracut MA. I was up in Russell (near Springfield) for the MA MGNOC Rally this past August, very nice riding up there (in the western part of MA). You might consider adding some detail to your profile, or adding a signature line to your posts, listing your ride.
So, I don't know what year your Cali 1400 is. If it is a recent model then you should have no real rust or corrosion to deal with. All the same, if you need the best penetrant, go with KROIL. I've also used K&W "Knock'er Loose Penetrant" with good success, but NOTHING beats KROIL. By the way, WD-40 is not really a penetrant, it was designed as a water displacer back in war times under government contract, fact is "WD-40" was the fortieth formula, the one that worked best and won the contract for the company.
Adding heat has two effects, usually it is used to loosen rust encrusted, or badly corroded bolts. In this case it only works if you make the metal parts glow at least red, but normally you go to white hot. The second use, the one you are shooting for, will be to expand the muffler collar a bit to aid in getting it to slip off the header pipe. In this case an even application of heat from a torch should be used and no where near the level of discoloring the metal. Be careful, heat a little, try to get them separated, if they don't move heat a little more and try to persuade the parts to separate again.
Lastly, if you have a torque wrench use it to check and thereby determine the torque to which the "side clamps" were installed (Piaggio's part description, see pg. 25 of workshop manual B043157). According to specs, the clamps should be torqued to 36 ft. lbs., when I checked mine one of them was dead loose and rattling, the other one was torqued to 90 ft. lbs. It was the over torqued side that gave me trouble during muffler removal. As you can see, over torquing these clamps can also affect the later removal. I've found that torquing my side clamps to 28 ft. lbs. is sufficient. I check them often and have never found one to loosen up in 12,500 miles.
As for the cost of "everything", no kidding. When I was riding up in New England, I rode into the wonderful state of New Hampshire where the whiskey is discounted. You are lucky to live so close to such a great state. I used to buy Vanwinkle Bourbon, the 12 year, for years I would buy it for $50/bottle. When it went to $100 I stopped buying it for about a year, the next time I looked, none could be found. Single Malt Scotch is even worse, all of my favorites have inflated their prices by at least 40%, some have doubled.
Good luck. I ride North quite a lot. Next trip will be to the New Hampshire MGNOC Rally, Randy is the sponsor, such a cool guy. That one is in early May. One of the things I love about these Californias is that they are good cool weather rides.
Den.
So, I don't know what year your Cali 1400 is. If it is a recent model then you should have no real rust or corrosion to deal with. All the same, if you need the best penetrant, go with KROIL. I've also used K&W "Knock'er Loose Penetrant" with good success, but NOTHING beats KROIL. By the way, WD-40 is not really a penetrant, it was designed as a water displacer back in war times under government contract, fact is "WD-40" was the fortieth formula, the one that worked best and won the contract for the company.
Adding heat has two effects, usually it is used to loosen rust encrusted, or badly corroded bolts. In this case it only works if you make the metal parts glow at least red, but normally you go to white hot. The second use, the one you are shooting for, will be to expand the muffler collar a bit to aid in getting it to slip off the header pipe. In this case an even application of heat from a torch should be used and no where near the level of discoloring the metal. Be careful, heat a little, try to get them separated, if they don't move heat a little more and try to persuade the parts to separate again.
Lastly, if you have a torque wrench use it to check and thereby determine the torque to which the "side clamps" were installed (Piaggio's part description, see pg. 25 of workshop manual B043157). According to specs, the clamps should be torqued to 36 ft. lbs., when I checked mine one of them was dead loose and rattling, the other one was torqued to 90 ft. lbs. It was the over torqued side that gave me trouble during muffler removal. As you can see, over torquing these clamps can also affect the later removal. I've found that torquing my side clamps to 28 ft. lbs. is sufficient. I check them often and have never found one to loosen up in 12,500 miles.
As for the cost of "everything", no kidding. When I was riding up in New England, I rode into the wonderful state of New Hampshire where the whiskey is discounted. You are lucky to live so close to such a great state. I used to buy Vanwinkle Bourbon, the 12 year, for years I would buy it for $50/bottle. When it went to $100 I stopped buying it for about a year, the next time I looked, none could be found. Single Malt Scotch is even worse, all of my favorites have inflated their prices by at least 40%, some have doubled.
Good luck. I ride North quite a lot. Next trip will be to the New Hampshire MGNOC Rally, Randy is the sponsor, such a cool guy. That one is in early May. One of the things I love about these Californias is that they are good cool weather rides.
Den.
treetop flyer
Just got it firing!
Hi Den .well it worked ,I sprayed the pipes and they came apart easier than I figured. I just ordered the mistrial pipes so life is good can't wait till spring .thanks for the help. Don
Cool. I'm happy things went smoothly for you.
Man those Mistrials are beautiful. Please let us know the fit and finish, maybe even a comment about included instructions. Are you getting full exhaust, including headers, or just mufflers? I know those mufflers will have to come off every time a back tire is changed. Don't forget the Anti-Seize on the header to muffler flange.
Please share some feedback; that would be nice, for everybody.
Man those Mistrials are beautiful. Please let us know the fit and finish, maybe even a comment about included instructions. Are you getting full exhaust, including headers, or just mufflers? I know those mufflers will have to come off every time a back tire is changed. Don't forget the Anti-Seize on the header to muffler flange.
Please share some feedback; that would be nice, for everybody.
roadventure
GT Reference
Dennis,
I had the Mistral Carbon mufflers on my California when I bought it. They were nice, about half the weight of the OEM mufflers and had a nice sound to them in my opinion. But, in the end, I sold them because of the additional noise. I learned a long time ago that noise wears a person down when riding. I put the stock mufflers back on and have been happy ever since.
Rocco1400
Just got it firing!
Has anyone modified the standard mufflers? I run leather bags and am happy with the look of the stock items, but would like a bit more noise....... any ideas?
I had Todd do mine. Cut them open, pulled out the cats and punched the baffles. They look bone stock but have a pleasing rumble without the harsh bark of the aftermarket muffs
Rocco1400
Just got it firing!
Any photos of before and after - or when they were getting done. I'm in Australia so will need to get done locally
Rocco1400
Just got it firing!
Hi Buzz, found the youtube clip of your bike - sounds better than stock. Have you had any issues since the modifications?
Rocco is my dog's name! No issues at all. The muffs look and sound great and look totally stock.
There is a thread here from Clayton who posted about doing it himself.
I had Todd do mine because I don't have the equipment or skill to do it right.
Rocco, I have been thinking of getting mine done and a few people have said Redline at Edwardstown are very good. I will try and get in there one day and see what they say.