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Help needed - duplicate key

Discussion in 'BNS12 Chat & Tech' started by robertmtz, Jul 14, 2009.

  1. robertmtz

    robertmtz Tuned and Synch'ed

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    One of the original keys for my Norge broke. I was able to get a replacement blank ($65). What I can't seem to find is a place that can make a lasercut duplicate of the original. Anyone with experience or suggestions? Thanks.
    Bob
     
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    radlefty Just got it firing!

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    I just went throught this. You need to find a quality locksmith, you can't just go to the local hardware store. The locksmith didn't have any problem duplicating it, cost me $20.00. The pain in the ass part for me was programing the new key. Sometimes I miss the old days before all the computer stuff.
     
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    robertmtz Tuned and Synch'ed

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    What programming is required? I was not aware of it.
     
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    StormShearon Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    The keys have an immobilizer chip in them, and the bikes ecu needs to be programmed to recognize the key or it won't start. The procedure is outlined in the owners manual.
     
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    robertmtz Tuned and Synch'ed

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    ok - makes sense. thanks
     
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    toddhaven Tuned and Synch'ed

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    Find someone who can cut Lexus keys.
    The blanks are very similar.
    Process is called Laser Cut.
     
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    3ackok Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    Local Lexus dealer couldn't help- they told me that they order precut keys by thei numbers from Toyota.
    I eventually found a locksmith shop with a capable machine. New key works fine.
     
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    xenarchi Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    machine is called a sidewinder. the dealers are useless as you found out.
     
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    guzziks Just got it firing!

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    I had keys cut at a locksmith who was recommended by our usual locksmith. They work, but I do not know how to program.

    Can anyone give a step by step operation to program, including the code numbers when required to enter.

    I have never put in a user code.
     
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    Brutto Bestia Just got it firing!

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    robertmtz........I would suggest contacting your state AAA people and obtaining a list of automotive locksmiths near you. Once obtained, call and verify if they have a machine to duplicate a 4 track key (Kaba/Ilco & Bianchi are the biggies). If you already have a working key and a new blank, they should be able to duplicate. As mentioned earlier, since this is a transponder key, once you obtain the duplicate, you'll need to enroll it into the bike's ECU. Your dealer should be able to talk you through that........BB
     
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    04Breva Just got it firing!

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    Similar, but slightly different problem.

    Just bought a used '07 Norge. It came with only one key, no key or lock number.

    I guess it would be asking too much to have the factory record the lock number by VIN ...

    So ---

    I'm guessing this will be the process (If anyone has a better idea ....)

    Buy a blank key (where?)

    Have the key cut --- earlier posts gave me a pretty good idea of how & where

    Learn the key to the bike --- with only one key, is it possible? Do the dealers have some magic?

    In the owner's manual, I saw a reference to a "user code" that could only be changed by using two keys, but didn't see a thing about what the user code did.

    Thanks....

    -Bob
     
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    Saint Nut Tuned and Synch'ed

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    I have an '07 Norge. Put your good key in the ignition and turn key to "on." Using the Mode button, go to "menu" then to "settings." Under "settings" go to "change code." Once you select "change code" you can use the Mode button to select any 5-digit code you want. Basically, it's a PIN. Once you get the new key made, if it has a chip in it, remove it. You can use a utility knife to cut away any rubber or plastic coverings to get at the chip. Then you can keep the spare key in your wallet or tape it in a hiding place somewhere on the bike. If you need to use the naked spare, insert it and turn to "on", then use the Mode button to insert your PIN (instrument panel will prompt you to do this). Then off you go. Just don't forget your PIN!
     
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    No need to remove the chip. You can have the system learn a new key. You just need one original key and your user code.
     
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    Saint Nut Tuned and Synch'ed

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    And to find a blank, your dealer can supply you with a nice expensive MG blank, but I got an Aprilia blank for $10 that's a match.
     
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    Re: Re:Help needed - duplicate key

    The procedures are in the general service manual here https://www.guzzitech.com/downloads/ca ... -1100.html

    These are the procedures for all 5 AM ECUs.

    The service codes are listed here https://www.guzzitech.com/forum/196/917.html
     
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    hen197 Just got it firing!

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    hello, I ordered a blank key at an aprilia webshop(af1racing )who fits an tuono or rsv4.I found a locksmith who can cut sidewinder keys .the key costs 11 dollar,the shipping to belgium costs 13 dollar,the cutting?I am still waiting for the key.
    I don't need to worry for programming of the transponder chip because I don't need the chip as the key is for my pannier wich uses another key .
     
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    04Breva Just got it firing!

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    Problem is this:

    I have only one key. I do not have the "user code" --- yup, tried all zeros, last 5 of the vin, the service code; none are correct.

    Is there any way to "reset code" when you don't have a second key or the last user code?

    Disconnecting the battery does not do it.

    Can the Axone reset the code?

    Worst comes to worst, where is the code stored? Can that be replaced?

    Thanks!

    -Bob
     
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    Gazdok Tuned and Synch'ed

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    hen197,
    Are you saying that the Aprillia blanks are the same as MG blanks?
    11$ for the key and 13$ shipping is still way cheaper than what I paid for an OEM BLANK - not cut - from a MG dealer in the UK.
     

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