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Love Motorsports of Ocoee
11953 W. Colonial Dr.
34761 Ocoee, FL
(407)787-9595
This seems to be the closest to you
I'm so sorry to read how your health is taking you away from your passion.
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Is Moto Guzzi "DEAD" in Florida and America?
- Thread starter Larry Malinoski
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11953 W. Colonial Dr.
34761 Ocoee, FL
(407)787-9595
This seems to be the closest to you
I'm so sorry to read how your health is taking you away from your passion.
Larry Malinoski
Cruisin' Guzzisti
Postscript:
Since the old thread got revived I DO have fond memories of the bike. Actually missed it. That absolutely beautiful V9 went "down the road" with both seats, Guzzi saddlebags, two sets of racks and way more for $48 hundred. Hope the new owner had fun with it this past Summer and keeps it mint like it was.
Only have my 1980 V50 today. Too small for my two-up enjoyment as quite cramped when I ride it solo. The V85 people talk so much about is just way too tall to be fun for me. Would not buy any other model because of the non-existent dealer network and hideous re-sale. One interesting aside on that re-sale issue is few of today's motorcyclists (read young) have a clue what the brand is. To buy something they know nothing about from a dealer that does not exist sums up the current situation here in Florida and many if not most parts of North America.
Since the old thread got revived I DO have fond memories of the bike. Actually missed it. That absolutely beautiful V9 went "down the road" with both seats, Guzzi saddlebags, two sets of racks and way more for $48 hundred. Hope the new owner had fun with it this past Summer and keeps it mint like it was.
Only have my 1980 V50 today. Too small for my two-up enjoyment as quite cramped when I ride it solo. The V85 people talk so much about is just way too tall to be fun for me. Would not buy any other model because of the non-existent dealer network and hideous re-sale. One interesting aside on that re-sale issue is few of today's motorcyclists (read young) have a clue what the brand is. To buy something they know nothing about from a dealer that does not exist sums up the current situation here in Florida and many if not most parts of North America.
I guess I am a bit confused here.
All new motorcycles drop a huge amount of value the moment you buy it and drive it home. This is the difference between retail and resale.
Hence, why 99.9% of the time, I buy very gently used at a huge discount from new prices.
You all act like this is something unique to Moto Guzzi.
All new European bikes drop in value. All of them. The worst being Triumph. It is reflective of market share economics.
The smaller the market share, the smaller the used market of buyers, and the lower the price drops in relation to being inextricably tied these market conditions.
This is nothing more than supply and demand economics. It has nothing to do intrinsically with Moto Guzzi or any other European motorcycle being sold in the USA for that matter.
Same for new Japanese bikes too. They have many undervalued models that are great bikes in and of themselves but they just have no share in terms of high marketplace demand, so the initial drop in retail value is also brutal. Once this initial drop takes place, a new lower value becomes persistent and holds relatively normal from that point forward.
Every person who buy anything brand new, is subjected to this immediate market force correction of value.
Now, you can always mitigate this loss by buying used at a great price. This is what I almost always do.
Case in point, my recently acquired 2023 V100 Mandello S with 835 miles. I paid more than $5k less than the original sales contract from the original buyer.
In my 2023 Piaggio MP3 530 HPE with 235 miles, I paid $8k less than the original sales contract from the original buyer.
Are either of them bad motorcycles? Hell no. They are both FLAGSHIP models and desirable.
They are both worth more than I paid for them.
You need to think these things through logically if you wish to avoid that initial huge drop.
The other option is to HOLD your asset until the market conditions equalize to its true value when supply becomes scarcer and demand actually increases.
Virtually everything I own listed in my signature line, is in mint condition or very close to it. All of it is hard to find used in that condition. Therefore if and when I decide to sell, they sell for very top dollar with no effort.
The difference being “supply”.
You can have all the money in the world, but you will never find a BMW HP2 Enduro like mine in her condition with all the options ever made. Same with my Eldorado 1400, or my California Vintage, or my 1200 Sport. You will search forever and never see their equivalent ever go up for sale.
My Stelvio NTX is common and lots are for sale at the moment albeit mine is very special and unique and mint. Still supply is high, demand is standard. Soft prices prevail at the moment. In 7 more years, though, this relationship will flip entirely and the value will begin to actually increase.
I made my living doing this and I understand it like a duck understands water.
All new motorcycles drop a huge amount of value the moment you buy it and drive it home. This is the difference between retail and resale.
Hence, why 99.9% of the time, I buy very gently used at a huge discount from new prices.
You all act like this is something unique to Moto Guzzi.
All new European bikes drop in value. All of them. The worst being Triumph. It is reflective of market share economics.
The smaller the market share, the smaller the used market of buyers, and the lower the price drops in relation to being inextricably tied these market conditions.
This is nothing more than supply and demand economics. It has nothing to do intrinsically with Moto Guzzi or any other European motorcycle being sold in the USA for that matter.
Same for new Japanese bikes too. They have many undervalued models that are great bikes in and of themselves but they just have no share in terms of high marketplace demand, so the initial drop in retail value is also brutal. Once this initial drop takes place, a new lower value becomes persistent and holds relatively normal from that point forward.
Every person who buy anything brand new, is subjected to this immediate market force correction of value.
Now, you can always mitigate this loss by buying used at a great price. This is what I almost always do.
Case in point, my recently acquired 2023 V100 Mandello S with 835 miles. I paid more than $5k less than the original sales contract from the original buyer.
In my 2023 Piaggio MP3 530 HPE with 235 miles, I paid $8k less than the original sales contract from the original buyer.
Are either of them bad motorcycles? Hell no. They are both FLAGSHIP models and desirable.
They are both worth more than I paid for them.
You need to think these things through logically if you wish to avoid that initial huge drop.
The other option is to HOLD your asset until the market conditions equalize to its true value when supply becomes scarcer and demand actually increases.
Virtually everything I own listed in my signature line, is in mint condition or very close to it. All of it is hard to find used in that condition. Therefore if and when I decide to sell, they sell for very top dollar with no effort.
The difference being “supply”.
You can have all the money in the world, but you will never find a BMW HP2 Enduro like mine in her condition with all the options ever made. Same with my Eldorado 1400, or my California Vintage, or my 1200 Sport. You will search forever and never see their equivalent ever go up for sale.
My Stelvio NTX is common and lots are for sale at the moment albeit mine is very special and unique and mint. Still supply is high, demand is standard. Soft prices prevail at the moment. In 7 more years, though, this relationship will flip entirely and the value will begin to actually increase.
I made my living doing this and I understand it like a duck understands water.
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Speciality
Cruisin' Guzzisti
It’s inevitable that a new bike’s value drops as soon as it’s ridden off the dealer’s forecourt. Why? Because the purchaser has had to pay on-the-road charges such as number plate(s), purchase tax (or equivalent- here in the UK we have to pay VAT then another lot of VAT on that VAT - you couldn’t make it up. You lose this sizeable chunk from the cost you pay as soon as you collect the bike. Only if a really desirable model is in short supply can you retain value in the early years; sometimes you can make a profit if someone so impatient is willing to pay over the odds. Covid screwed this up temporarily because of the shortage of new bikes and the consequent period of inflated trade-in values of decent used bikes, but this has now subsided. That said, bikes do depreciate at different rates.
Yes, I’m sure you do but taking pictures of your own motorcycle, doesn’t really count as “ seeing some”.
i did see one other than mine
Thank you Scott, I really appreciate the concise and clear explanations you give.
Larry Malinoski
Cruisin' Guzzisti
My recent post about that rally, with lots of Moto Guzzi's, is Memorial Day around Sarah's restaurant and motorcycle museum. Troutdale, Va. It is NOT a Moto Guzzi Rally but a motorcycle get-together of friends related to Dognation Motors.
Guessing my post got deleted because I posted a picture of my new Can Am Spyder. So be it. I have lots of different brands of motorcycles and love to talk motorcycles as I have been on them all over the world.
Guessing my post got deleted because I posted a picture of my new Can Am Spyder. So be it. I have lots of different brands of motorcycles and love to talk motorcycles as I have been on them all over the world.
WHY do people ALWAYS assume something terrible or that something has been done to them when in fact, they just forgot where they put their own post?
Apology accepted…
VA event late May
Going to a private motorcycle get-together in southern Virginia at the end of May. There will be a few Moto Guzzi 85's from the Pittsburgh area there. Most riders will be on BMW, both older ones and new. Only "goose" for me now is the old V50. That's not usable for two-up mountain riding. What...
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