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luggage
- Thread starter ralf z
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ralf
Have one on my Griso and it is an excellent bit of kit.
Easy to fit or remove, takes about 10 mins so no need to leave it on all the time if you don't need it.
Make sure you get the upgraded L brackets for our model.
The original ones I had cracked near the mounting holes so I contacted Kenma the local distributor (Australia) and they replaced them with no quibbling.
I sent them them back the original parts and they returned them to Ventura in NZ so they could see what had failed.
Ventura redesigned them using more robust material for the mounts which should solve any future problem.
Whilst it was annoying that the brackets broke I cannot fault the efforts of Kenma and Ventura who provided excellent customer service and took action to not only replace the defective part but accepted there was a problem and did a redesign to rectify the fault.
Have one on my Griso and it is an excellent bit of kit.
Easy to fit or remove, takes about 10 mins so no need to leave it on all the time if you don't need it.
Make sure you get the upgraded L brackets for our model.
The original ones I had cracked near the mounting holes so I contacted Kenma the local distributor (Australia) and they replaced them with no quibbling.
I sent them them back the original parts and they returned them to Ventura in NZ so they could see what had failed.
Ventura redesigned them using more robust material for the mounts which should solve any future problem.
Whilst it was annoying that the brackets broke I cannot fault the efforts of Kenma and Ventura who provided excellent customer service and took action to not only replace the defective part but accepted there was a problem and did a redesign to rectify the fault.
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Chicago Mark
Cruisin' Guzzisti
Wow, the Ventura system looks excellent. I have the oem saddlebags and tail bag on my G12. If I needed to carry more, the Ventura system looks to fit the bill nicely.
All the best,
Mark
All the best,
Mark
Long time Ventura user here. I have two large rack sacks that siamese together when needed for twice the storage capacity. The Ventura system is great for a number of reasons, including the fact that when you change bikes all you have to buy are the L-brackets to fit the new bike. All the other stuff simply slides onto the new brackets. Highly recommended.
Goodvibes said:
Lots of info on the Hepco-Becker C-Bow system here:
https://www.guzzitech.com/forum/160/7415.html & https://www.guzzitech.com/forum/160/8020.html
I am trying to figure out a way to buy one item at a time so I can slip under the Family CFO's radar.
Bill
kiwijohn
Tuned and Synch'ed
How long does it take to fit the l-brackets? Do they just bolt in where the luggage hooks are?
kiwijohn said:
I asked the same question in another thread earlier today -- lotsa luggage stuff swirling just now as we all (in the northern hemisphere pretend we can smell spring and plan trips! :laugh:
Think answer is yes based on studying the various pix. I don't want to keep the C-Bow system on even tho it is not especially obtrusive, and would, if easily removable at those four points, do it after use.
And, while not inexpensive, it costs less than I thought it might, so I see it in my future this spring.
Bill
Goodvibes
My bags are from Hepco & Becker and are their soft bags mounted on C-bow mountings.
Not supercheap but comparably priced with other frame mount options and to my eye one of the better looking sets of soft bags going around. As Bill mentioned there are a number of posts about this product on Guzzitech.
From my experience although only short term, they are a great product and in conjunction with my Ventura rack/bag provide as much room for the gear that I would need to carry on a Griso.
I bought mine from HMB Guzzi in Germany as my local importer couldn't provide them in the time frame needed.
Kiwijohn
The Ventura rack/bag system is a New Zealand invention, surprised you aren't familiar with it. In spite of us from Oz and you Kiwi's liking to take the piss out of our each othere I have to say that it is well engineered, simple to instal and use and also in my experience well backed up by the manufacturer.
You Kiwi's have always had a knack of creating well engineered products without the bullshit and complexity that goes with some other nationalities. I can second the comments from Goodvibes on the simplicity of the installation and practicality.
Mark
My bags are from Hepco & Becker and are their soft bags mounted on C-bow mountings.
Not supercheap but comparably priced with other frame mount options and to my eye one of the better looking sets of soft bags going around. As Bill mentioned there are a number of posts about this product on Guzzitech.
From my experience although only short term, they are a great product and in conjunction with my Ventura rack/bag provide as much room for the gear that I would need to carry on a Griso.
I bought mine from HMB Guzzi in Germany as my local importer couldn't provide them in the time frame needed.
Kiwijohn
The Ventura rack/bag system is a New Zealand invention, surprised you aren't familiar with it. In spite of us from Oz and you Kiwi's liking to take the piss out of our each othere I have to say that it is well engineered, simple to instal and use and also in my experience well backed up by the manufacturer.
You Kiwi's have always had a knack of creating well engineered products without the bullshit and complexity that goes with some other nationalities. I can second the comments from Goodvibes on the simplicity of the installation and practicality.
Mark
Thanks for the info. For now I'm good on storage space with two of the rack sacks and a backpack (if needed). One thing I did for safety was apply reflective tape to the L-brackets (and other areas of the Griso). The tape is nearly invisible in daylight (it's black), but highly reflective in the dark. Ride on!Mark111 said:
kiwijohn
Tuned and Synch'ed
Mark111 said:
Yeah I am familiar with them. Had one on my VFR400 back in 1990. Been in the UK for 13 years now. Good to see them here. I know some bikes are easier fit than others. I even still have the bag from 1990. I like the C-Bows as well.
kiwijohn
Tuned and Synch'ed
Do the C-Bows mount on the same points as the l- brackets? Do they both bolt on ok? I need it to be simple. 
John
See photo, both brackets use the same mounting hole in the frame of the bike.
I bought some longer Hi-tensile bolts bolts to use when mounting both C-bow and L brackets at the same time to ensure there is enough thread in the mounting holes. If I am using either the bags or the Ventura rack on their own I just use the standard bolts supplied with each product. I always use the Ventura bag on the pillion seat if I'm on my own so that there is minimal load on the rack.
Beware of the German sense of Humor, when I received my C-bow kit the brackets were incorrectly marked left and right. After rooting around for half an hour I finally realised the error and sorted it out in 10 mins.
See photo, both brackets use the same mounting hole in the frame of the bike.
I bought some longer Hi-tensile bolts bolts to use when mounting both C-bow and L brackets at the same time to ensure there is enough thread in the mounting holes. If I am using either the bags or the Ventura rack on their own I just use the standard bolts supplied with each product. I always use the Ventura bag on the pillion seat if I'm on my own so that there is minimal load on the rack.
Beware of the German sense of Humor, when I received my C-bow kit the brackets were incorrectly marked left and right. After rooting around for half an hour I finally realised the error and sorted it out in 10 mins.
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kiwijohn
Tuned and Synch'ed
Thanks for the info. I like this set up alot.
I do prefer the look of the Guzzi Genuine rack but I dont want to drill holes in the body work to fit it.
Sounds like you take them on and off as needed.
I do prefer the look of the Guzzi Genuine rack but I dont want to drill holes in the body work to fit it.
Sounds like you take them on and off as needed.
Because of the ease of installation and removeal of both luggage systems I tend to remove them unless I plan to use them again in the near future.
I will sometimes leave the Vetura rack on more often because I can use the handrail (shown in the picture) when riding with my wife and the bag doesn't increase the width of the bike which is more practical in traffic.
I'm not trying to push either system, it is just that they suit my type of usage perfectly.
I don't know what weight the factory rack can carry but if your in to heavy loads it may suit your purposes better, I have no point of comparison as I have no experience with the factory item.
Ventura do offer ditterent size racks if you don't want the tall one used to mount their big bags.
Good luck with any decision but when it comes down to it either the factory or those I use shouldn't let you down.
I will sometimes leave the Vetura rack on more often because I can use the handrail (shown in the picture) when riding with my wife and the bag doesn't increase the width of the bike which is more practical in traffic.
I'm not trying to push either system, it is just that they suit my type of usage perfectly.
I don't know what weight the factory rack can carry but if your in to heavy loads it may suit your purposes better, I have no point of comparison as I have no experience with the factory item.
Ventura do offer ditterent size racks if you don't want the tall one used to mount their big bags.
Good luck with any decision but when it comes down to it either the factory or those I use shouldn't let you down.