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New Griso, missing piece

Discussion in 'Griso-Bella Chat & Tech' started by wittangamo, Sep 26, 2012.

  1. wittangamo

    wittangamo Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    Minor irritant, the bolt that holds the toolbox door closed on the underside of my seat is missing, which makes it tough to keep things from falling out when removing and attaching the seat. First time I took it off, I almost broke the key trying to get the jammed lock open because somebody had forced it down without getting the toolbox tucked away.

    My Griso is only a few days old, so naturally I'm calling the dealer to see about a replacement.

    But when I look in the parts list below, I don't see that bolt/fastener listed. There's just a hole in the toolbox door where it ought to go. Can someone please post or send a photo of the underside of a Griso seat so I can show them what I'm talking about?

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  2. pete roper

    pete roper GT Godfather!

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    There are few things in the world more useless than the 'Tool Kit' supplied with the bike and no decent tool kit would fit in that absurd space. The thread is I think an M6. Just grab a 10-15mm Allen bolt and a washer and screw the thing shut. I don't think I've ever opened mine. Dunno if its even got a bag inside it?

    Pete
     
  3. Pascal

    Pascal Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    Tool kit? LOL.
    A set of Allen wrenches, a 10mm and 8mm socket set should allow you to take the bike almost totally apart.
    A tool kit isn't complete until you have tire plugs with C02 cartridges and other goodies, which none of this is going to fit under the seat or anywhere else on the bike.
    That seat compartment is big enough for the bike's registration though. :laugh:
    As far as the bolt since it's finger tight, anything 6mm will do like Pete says.
    A butterfly type from the hardware store would be best but I'm sure the dealer could get you the OEM one since they're the ones that lost it or forgot to put back on...
     
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    Goodvibes Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    I How about the badge-thingys covering the screws on the valve cover recesses? :unsure:
     
  5. wittangamo

    wittangamo Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    Laugh all you want. It may be too small for a complete tool kit, but it's perfect for smuggling drugs or counterfeit bills. Why, you could even use it to store registration and insurance papers in addition to a tire gauge and the factory tools. B)

    Since it's there, I'd like to be able to use it without having to worry about stuff falling out of it. The dealer, of course, disavows all knowledge and there's nothing in the parts list to identify or order it. I may still make a stink, but they're far enough away that if there's an easy replacement that works the same I'll do it myself.

    That's sort of why I posted a question here. I was hoping someone could show me what the original looked like so I could try to match it.

    A standard butterfly won't work because there isn't much clearance and tightens ON a bolt, it's not the head of the bolt. Most of the specialty bolts I see in online catalogs have no head to grab or it's too tall to fit in the shallow indent you see in the image above. I suspect it's probably a round plastic head -- about the size of a quarter -- with a raised ridge across the top to grab it with fingers to turn. (At least that's what I'd design to do the job, Luigi may have a totally different concept.)

    As I said, it's a small thing, but it's currently the only thing not perfect on this bike and one way or another I'll get it right.
     
  6. Phang

    Phang Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Contributor

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    It looks similar to this.

    Google "thumb screws" or "knurled thumb screws"

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  7. Bill Hagan

    Bill Hagan GT Reference GT Famiglia

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    Phang's pic should help get "after-market" fix, but I'll be happy to drop mine in the mail to you so you can have what passes for Guzzi perfection. :whistle:

    OTOH, can also bring mine to Winchester when I am there 5 - 9 October, so you can come by and welcome your new neighbor. :laugh:

    I am serious; if you can't easily find, you can have mine. I live in sight of a Fastenal store, and the lady who works there is worth a trip to see, anyway. Don't tell Kathi! :woohoo:

    BTW, I added a generic multitool and some cable ties, and can -- with care -- get it all in there. That said, unlike my other Guzzis, not a burp of any kindin the Griso's first 4K. By then, the EV had had a rocker arm disintegrate; the Ballabio's header-pipe crossover had cracked (for the first time); and the Norge had a few minor issues ... it was saving its dramatic catastrophes for its mid-20's :(

    Bill
     
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    wittangamo Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    Thanks, Bill. Fastenal looks like a good lead, and there's one near me.

    I may well ride up to Winchester that weekend, and if so I'll give you a holler.
     
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    wittangamo Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    UPDATE: Fastenal doesn't have screws with knurled knobs in stock or available in metric sizes. They will sell me a screw that fits and a knob I can epoxy to the screwhead.

    Meanwhile, the seat lock is now jammed to the point where I can't spring it without risking a broken key. Looks like a problem for the dealer at the 900-mile service -- still a week or two away.
     
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    Greyo Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    You mean the Guzzi-logo clip thingies on the spark-plug wire covers?
    Well, those are, at leats, purty to look at...
     
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    john zibell Moderator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    Press down on the seat to reduce the strain on the latch mechanism.
     
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    ralf z Just got it firing!

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    Had the same problem with my seat, just put a bit of pressure on the pillion bit as said and wiggle the key at the same time, so it's push and wiggle at the same time and make sure no body's watching.... Once off adjust the striker part on the bike to match up with the seat pin and some lube...
     
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    Bill Hagan GT Reference GT Famiglia

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    Yeah, that "jam" happens.

    As John and Ralf said, tho, just relieve the pressure.

    Be careful in the process of cursing and pushing and turning, etc., that you do not do what one Griso owner here (not me, but I'm capable :whistle: ), did, i.e., break the key off in the lock with your leg. :woohoo:

    As for knob, the larger ACE and Tru-Value hardware stores have remarkably deep selections of metric fasteners, and "close" might very well be good enough from a functionality point of view.

    Besides, as offered, you are welcome to mine if you gotta have OEM. Cost you a (better sort of) beer. :laugh:

    Bill
     
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    wittangamo Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    Push on the pillion, lube and wiggle to relieve the pressure ...

    Try to have a serious conversation around here and you guys immediately start talking dirty. :twisted:

    Thank for the advice, and I'll let you know how it turns out.
     
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    Not talking dirty, just sayin'... :D
     
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    wittangamo Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    Thanks to all who offered help and suggestions. The seat lock was wedged so tight I had to sit on the pillion and force the key to get it open. When I finally got the seat off and looked closely, I saw that the metal plate over the hole was off-center by just enough that the latch in the seat was binding. In other words, even when the lock was open, the latch was binding on the plate and the seat wouldn't come off.

    As for the missing thumbscrew, I couldn't fine an exact match but I did find a 6 mm screw with a small knob I can tighten with my fingers.

    If this is the biggest issue I have with my new bike, I'll count my blessings and keep on riding.

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    IMG_2270 by wittangamo, on Flickr
     
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    Pascal Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    Actually, that thumb screw has a plastic washer/retainer at the back so it doesn't fall off by itself.
    Obviously, that washer wasn't there...

    Like you said, if it's the only beef that you'll have with your bike then you're bound to have a great riding experience with it. :cheer: :cheer:
     
  18. Bill Hagan

    Bill Hagan GT Reference GT Famiglia

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    The more I see of the black versions, the more I think them striking.

    I am an irredeemable rider of red machines ... the HDM EV being a longtime fling with a blonde of sorts ;) -- and am very happy with my lusty red Griso. But, it is clear that Guzzi hit a home run with the Tenni version, and I think your black will be just as eye-and comment-catching ... if they can catch you. :laugh:

    As for that screw, I will bring mine with me when I fly into Dulles this coming Thursday. You are, as I said, I think, before in this thread, welcome to it. Just ride over to Cross Junction sometime in the 5 - 9 October timeframe, show off your Griso to me (and Kathi; I like her to see that others are similarly addicted!), and swap out your homemade for the OEM.

    Bill ... in MIlan (Illinois) ... where, btw, if the weather were like this year 'round, only the rich could afford to live here!
     

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