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Norge 1200 exhaust valve issues

Discussion in 'BNS12 Chat & Tech' started by mrv, Sep 28, 2018.

  1. Bill Hagan

    Bill Hagan GT Reference GT Famiglia

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    I buy mine here: https://www.staccatocycle.com

    Mr. Brown and USPS deliver everywhere, even BFE, Arkansas (tho that's redundant :giggle:).

    Bill

    P.S. Regrets on the reality of your Norge, but the rollered results will be worth it. Grinned on my rollerized Griso here yesterday. Lordy, what an engine. If I only I was as competent a rider as that machine is a motorcycle. :sweating:

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  2. V700Steve

    V700Steve High Miler GT Contributor

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    Most NAPA stores carry the 10W60 BMW car oil, it comes in a big blue jug, maybe 5qts. Cheapest 10W60 out there for price.
     
  3. mrv

    mrv Just got it firing!

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    It works for the bike ok, no issures?
     
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    V700Steve High Miler GT Contributor

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    I love oil threads almost as much as tire threads, especially when they are hijacked buy the OP to go down the new road. :giggle:

    More seriously, I am loathe to disagree with Steve ... who is not only a Guzzi guru, but great friend who has helped and taught me and others so much about Moto Guzzis. But I had a bad experience with Liqui-Moly 10-60.

    Two summers ago, while riding on a very hot day, I got stuck in festival traffic in Brevard, N/C. Yes, Brevard. Even small towns can have gridlock. :swear:

    Anyway,I had put the L-M oil in question in my Norge just before leaving the top of Virginia for a back-roads run to Atlanta, so oil was fresh.

    No problem for first few hundred miles. The secondary, tertiary, and occasional lesser roads 'tween home and Georgia are simply grand.

    Then, in at the main intersection in downtown Brevard, while idling and reading the bumper stickers on the car in front of me, the OIL "ALADDIN'S LAMP" got my immediate attention.

    Bear in mind that my Norge was among that early group of imports that had bad oil pumps. Mine fractured and the engine seized, so, gangrenously sensitive to oil lights, I pulled to the side of the road and shut it down in an instant.

    I sat there feeling very sorry for myself for a few minutes. Then, I tried a restart to see if the dreaded can reappeared. Nope. Thumbing the starter brought nothing but silence from the Norge. I suppose now without really knowing that the ECU recognized that the engine was too hot to run properly and "declined" a restart.

    I decided to go to lunch and drown my sorrows with a Nehi Peach and a greasy burger. :clap:

    On return to the Norge, Varoom, started. Sounded fine. Nevertheless, I loafed as well as I could the remaining miles to Atlanta without issues. As soon as I got there, I drained (the near-black, btw) L-M and put in Agip/ENI.

    OK, yes, the above is anecdotal and one-off. But I can assure you that -- besides not letting my Guzzis idle over-long in stopped traffic (where I almost never am, anyway) -- I'll not use L-M again.

    Yes, it says it's SL, which, as I understand it, includes the earlier, e.g., SG ratings, but I cannot recall or read on images and specs to see if it is full ester synthetic. But, I do know that since that day, only motorcycle-specific oil gets into my Guzzis.

    Steve says dealers use it, and I don't doubt that for a minute. Wonder, however, if Piaggio says L-M is OK? I'm not going to ask, but it would be interesting to know.

    That said, it may be that my Stornello -- which had its last service in Atlanta -- has L-M in it. No issues with it I know about in last 3K miles, but when I get back from Erie later this week, I'm putting Italian (OK, OK, likely Libyan ;)) oil in it just to make sure.

    But, I also have done almost every oil change after first service in my moto-harem and have -- except for the L-M experience related above and dino oil in my EV -- ONLY put Agip/ENI or Motul in my Guzzis.

    OK, apologies for the length of the above.

    Best,

    Bill
     
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  6. john zibell

    john zibell Moderator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    Bill, I don't think the type of oil caused the light to go on as much as the prolonged stop in traffic. I don't think these newer bikes cool as well as the older designs and just run too hot for any oil. I had a similar experience with my 1100 Breva trying to get into Barber's for vintage days a few years ago. As a result, I just avoid those types of situations as you are doing now.
     
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    mrv Just got it firing!

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    I guess I'll just use the agip in it, since i just replaced it and hoping it is all good now I can have some ordered before next service
     
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    mrv Just got it firing!

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    At last my Goose is up and running again, hope it stays that way now.
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