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If history repeats it's self it is past time for Piaggio to sell off Guzzi to someone else and maybe they won't care.
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Piaggio .... what the ...?!
- Thread starter janguzzi
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That would be a highly questionable move after the money dumped into it!
Intel ( computer guys ) had an issue like this back in the day with using numbers as the model Names of their processors e.g. 386 / 486 between them and AMD.
This is similar to that, do they really have a case against use of the single generic word ?
It is indeed a unambiguous reference to the brand, but is it really enforceable ?
I would also imagine that it was some @#$&% Marketing guy who put the bug in someone’s ear, that got this whole thing started… with the Lawyers being the only one‘s making money off of this ?
This is similar to that, do they really have a case against use of the single generic word ?
It is indeed a unambiguous reference to the brand, but is it really enforceable ?
I would also imagine that it was some @#$&% Marketing guy who put the bug in someone’s ear, that got this whole thing started… with the Lawyers being the only one‘s making money off of this ?
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Believe me my brother, I love you too and I SUPPORT you in this.
BMW MOA has permission from BMW AG to use the name. This I know for a fact.
With regard to GuzziTech - I think that it is unnecessary BULLSHIT on the part of Piaggio.
All I was trying to say is that they aren't doing anything WRONG, per se, only just that it seems over the top, but they are clearly within their legal rights to do this. Some people were questioning that, and they are legally doing what they are permitted. I know, it sucks.
The older I get, the more wisdom I gleen from the words of my Nonna.
"Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should..."
Are you listening Piaggio?
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They weren't a victim. They were using a name they had no right to, in order to sell custom built motorcycles. Apparently, Piaggio is on a worldwide cleanup of this.
GTM should be absolutely safe.
GuzziTech, maybe not so much. I still think Piaggio is acting over the top with regard to the forum.
Perhaps a nicely worded letter to them, seeking a waiver or permission to maintain GuzziTech as it promotes the welfare of Guzzisti worldwide with valuable information for free. Maybe that might work to alleviate things.
Sometimes asking permission, gets you what you need.
Point to ponder...
Maybe worth starting an online petition?
May do nothing, but costs nothing, and couldn't hurt, could it?
You could put something in the wording to ask if those signing have cancelled orders for MG Bikes or other products because of this ruling, or been put off buying anything in future.
As mentioned, they've lost several V100 sales already . . .
May do nothing, but costs nothing, and couldn't hurt, could it?
You could put something in the wording to ask if those signing have cancelled orders for MG Bikes or other products because of this ruling, or been put off buying anything in future.
As mentioned, they've lost several V100 sales already . . .
Jim Filice
Just got it firing!
Polaris did the same thing with Indian. Capitalism has it's plusses and minuses.
Not at Forums. I count more than ten on a Google search right now, not including any on Faceplant.
I have first hand knowledge, per my prior posts, that Polaris/Indian is supportive of them.
This would only be to appease those who felt slighted. Most will not care, and certainly Piaggio won’t I can assure you. And careful John, they may go after Facebook pages next. They certainly are on a legal tirade.
Jim Filice
Just got it firing!
I didn't know that and glad to hear it. I don't think I'll be trading in my R1200GS on the V100.
Maybe a letter / email campaign to the national or Worldwide HQ, expressing how their most recent decision regarding user community * Support* has changed your mind(s) regarding the purchase of one of their bikes might be the only thing that could changes their minds.
If they see it as a Loss of $$$,
If it's an issues with Sites that are a detractor to the brand - They could just as easily Pick and chose WHo they Server with " Papers"
My 2 cents,
Don
If they see it as a Loss of $$$,
If it's an issues with Sites that are a detractor to the brand - They could just as easily Pick and chose WHo they Server with " Papers"
My 2 cents,
Don
I already wrote my email!
Posted the email address on this thread…
Posted the email address on this thread…
Maybe.
I really don't see how they can do anything about Owners Groups (or similar), if they're not making money out of the name.
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They have been hit, although they have a business relationship with Guzzi, they are a service point.
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+1 the only winners are going to be the lawyers.
I understand protecting your trademark on something like the BMW logo, but on a partial name? Eh.... seems petty to me.
BUT I HAVE JUST COME UP WITH A SOLUTION!
- Just drop the "i" in your forum name - GUZZTECH -
Your mind automatically includes the missing letter when you read it (a phenomenon called "illusory conjuction") and you can wave at the lawyers as they pass you by!
I understand protecting your trademark on something like the BMW logo, but on a partial name? Eh.... seems petty to me.
BUT I HAVE JUST COME UP WITH A SOLUTION!
- Just drop the "i" in your forum name - GUZZTECH -
Your mind automatically includes the missing letter when you read it (a phenomenon called "illusory conjuction") and you can wave at the lawyers as they pass you by!
Vagrant
GT Reference
Personally, I'd replace the i with an outstretched middle finger!
The obvious and easiest deflection is very simple.
GuzzistiTech
Both words are in the public domain.
GuzzistiTech
Both words are in the public domain.
From my own experience, lawyers are engaged and get paid based on succesful outcomes. Chasing ambo stuff. It starts with 'boilerplate" letters/emails which have a good success rate usually as most don't want to fight. Then there is the cost of fighting back which is a no-win situation given up against corp $$$. As has been said, "right to protect IP" VS "sales & marketing". If using a 'logo' or 'name' to manufacture a product competing with factory then maybe. But even then growing a brand name is about getting it out there.
As mentioned the easiest answer is a name change for forum, but ANY change still requires same work/effort to achieve.
But if a name/domain change it option then maybe guzz1tech or guzzLtech but a 'slight change' may still attract lawyers eyes as a target. Prob better to something 'different' (enough) but still same-same.
Suggestions (please add own ideas to list)
GUZ-Tech.com
MGtech.com
MGforum.com
SideVTwin.com
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Guys, this has been quiet since my last legal retort.
Again, we've been on the web since September 2001 as a support portal for Guzzi owners. First as user submitted tech tips, then as a Forum since 2005.
Plenty websites are still live with Guzzi in the name, which clearly weren't targeted, including many that still attempt to profit using the name.
The only thing that will likely kill this site is user entitlement and my exhaustion from it.
Again, we've been on the web since September 2001 as a support portal for Guzzi owners. First as user submitted tech tips, then as a Forum since 2005.
Plenty websites are still live with Guzzi in the name, which clearly weren't targeted, including many that still attempt to profit using the name.
The only thing that will likely kill this site is user entitlement and my exhaustion from it.