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Discussion in '24-7 Lounge' started by sandy, Jan 18, 2012.

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  1. sandy

    sandy Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    I was watching a TV programme last night about the impact of the internet on society, and it was quite depressing.

    For example, on line shopping is laying waste to the high street turning them into ghost towns in some cases and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

    The internet was peddled as being this great educational tool for our young generation but here in the UK, literacy and numeracy skills are the worst they have been since the Victorian period.

    Also, the majority of internet usage is for on line shopping, gaming, social networking, and porn.

    A quite depressing picture of the future was portrayed, where people only leave their houses to go to work, choosing to interact with others via a keyboard and a mouse.

    I use the internet, so I'm not standing in judgement but it did make me think.

    Is my life better for having the internet ?

    No, not really.

    In fact in some ways I think maybe the world was a better place without it.

    What do you think.
     
  2. ghezzi

    ghezzi High Miler GT Contributor

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    As an ol' fart, I find my younger siblings are willing to text but if I ring straight back they don't pick up. In their world sms and email is communication, my world is face to face.

    Don't you just hate it when you ring a shop for info and the sales clerk just says, go to our website. :x

    But I admit my life would be more complicated without the net. Both my business and my Bella would suffer without it. Guzzi's are thin on the ground in Australia so this here forum is my main social outlet.
     
  3. john zibell

    john zibell Moderator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    Sandy,

    The internet is a tool just like any other. It is what you make of it. If someone doesn't go out and have a life, that is their problem, not mine. For something that started as ARPANET (I was around then and used it) it sure has come a long way and become easy for anyone to use. I am glad I don't have to maintain a host file just to send e-mail and connect to remote servers, that is now done for me by DNS servers. I and others have been able to learn from other peoples experiences, and pass on knowledge to many instead of only the few you meet in person. The same gripe was made about the wireless, the automobile, the television, portable radio, and other innovations, including motorcycles. All of these were said to be the ruination of today's youth. Just think, with out the internet in its current easy form, you couldn't have complained about it so easily just by posting here in an easy to use web browser.
     
  4. Beaufort

    Beaufort Tuned and Synch'ed

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    I see both sides of it.
    If Joe Average wants to fart around on facebook, watch porn, and generally not have a life, that is his problem.

    But Sandy mentioned the effect of the internet on society.
    What happens when everyone farts around on facebook and surfs porn all day?

    Sure, there will always be high-level users, content providers, inovators and gurus.
    But they won't be able to talk to their neighbors.
    They won't be able to strike up a conversation at a coffee shop because all the other patrons
    will be too busy staring at tiny screens, "liking" and "poking" people they've never met.

    Maybe I'm imagining too bleak a future, but the truth is that I'm already alienated from people
    who were once close to me because I can't stand facebook, and they "live" on it.
     
  5. ghezzi

    ghezzi High Miler GT Contributor

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    Think on the bright side, when they all burn the midnight oil looking at porn, playing tribes or just chatting via keyboards, we will have empty roads during daylight hours to enjoy our Guzzi's and coffee together.
     
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    Roblatt High Miler

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    I agree with ghezzi in both posts.
    I too would rather talk than text email etc.

    Robert
     
  7. Tonerjockey

    Tonerjockey High Miler GT Contributor

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    hehheh the worst influence since god. hehehhehehhe

    Wait till the next one!

    Alex
     
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    Rafael GT Reference

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    The internet has been a great tool for me. Saved a lot of time and effort transferring documents for work. I've only had a chance to use an online construction project management once, it had drawbacks but overall made work easier and allowed more time to solve real problems. I get aggravated at folks still relying solely on a fax. Facebook and the such doesn't define the internet for me. Guess texting is an internet feature, but I've thought of it as a phone function.

    Its great to get info for just about anything at any time too.

    Hope Ghezzi is right. if online distractions get people off the road I'm all for it! More room and gas for Bikes!

    I think society is impacted more severely by the machination of the few on top than by the little people glued to the tube. City centers in US have decayed for a dozens other reasons other than the loss off business to online retailer. The desire for a less congested neighborhood, a backyard and a garage has probably killed more urban retail centers that anything else.

    Thumbs up for the internet from me - more pros than cons.

    I heard of a new statistic recently, that is, a rise in pedestrian injuries. Turns out its more folks are walking and texting. There's a bright side, they weren't texting in a car!

    God? Not god peddlers?
     
  9. Phang

    Phang Cruisin' Guzzisti GT Contributor

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    It opened up my eyes to the world.

    Put it this way, I won’t buy a Moto Guzzi if we are still using 14.4kbps modem, let alone without the internet.

    Phang
     
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    Tonerjockey High Miler GT Contributor

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    hey Phang,

    You are right on the money regarding Guzzi and the net. I bought my 1st Guzzi in 1974... long before the popularity and capability of the internet.

    Getting parts took effort. The shop I bought the Eldo from in Chicago closed. The next closest shop, Dolezal Brothers, didn't carry much and was a little iffy.

    The local BMW (Barrington BMW) was where I would get parts... the pieces they would get for me. The prices went nuts. The shop made money, all of the businesses involved made money (Primier Group, I think was in there) DeTomaso made some... Guzzi made some... I was making boat payments for everyone from Chicago to Lake Como. Not only were prices inconsistant, but many parts were not available, and you needed to take any info you did get with a grain of salt.

    Delivery of parts (points, dist cap etc) typically took from 1 to 3 weeks... Sometimes they never arrived (for reasons unknown).

    Custom parts... you had to know someone. Phone or mail. Or visit Europe (for us 'mericans).

    Breaking an important part while on the road presented big challenges. I broke the drive shaft (wheelies!!!) in Columbus Georgia in about 1978 or so... that was an adventure... and a lesson.

    Today things may seem ridiculous, unfair, dangerous, or wastefull, but riding a Guzzi is now better (easier) than ever.

    E.g. Think what you will about Ebay, but it has completely changed the way I go about living with Guzzi.

    YMMV

    Ciao

    Alex
     
  11. sandy

    sandy Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    There is a place in Japan called Ueno, near Tokyo.
    It's home to a place called BIKE CITY.
    This is a place the size of a small town, full of motorcycle shops.
    Accessories, clothing, parts, everything was there.
    You could go into one shop and buy an exhaust for your Harley, and then just go across the road and pick up that set of break shoes for your BSA Goldstar.
    The most amazing place, full of activity.
    It's biking heaven, (or was)
    I was there for the first time in 8 years last year, and it's pretty much gone.
    Just a handful of shops are there now, and it can be described at best as a ghost town.
    It broke my heart remembering what it used to be,
    I spoke to the owner of one shop, who was survining only because he had a bike hire side to his business which was keeping him afloat.
    He made no bones about it.
    The place had been killed off by the internet.
    My feeling is that the internet is giving with one hand, and secretly taking away with the other.
     
  12. john zibell

    john zibell Moderator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    If you dislike it so much, then you can stop using it. Businesses need to adapt to the changing times. If those shops had embraced the internet like many of the shops here in the US and Europe, they may very well have survived. Everything in nature has to adapt to changes in the environment or die. Do you see any dinosaurs or dodo birds walking around?
     
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    rocker59 Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    You don't see any blacksmith shops and livery stables anymore.

    Things change.
     
  14. sandy

    sandy Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    True enough, so why then aren't we all switching to high powered liquid cooled traction controlled abs'd crotch rockets.

    Why do we stick so doggedly with our ancient old tech air cooled twins when there are super tech modern alternatives.

    Forgive me, but I don't see much embracing the future, in Guzzi circles.

    Rather the opposite actually.

    :roll:
     
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    Rafael GT Reference

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    Not adapting to a changed commercial environment is not the same as making conscious design decision to retain the tried and true; push rods etc. Imagine if all Ducati mechanics dropped dead. There would be thousands of burnt valves out there :( . And guzzis would still be scooting around doing 10s of thousands of miles. Look at guzzi history, they've always been cutting edge, there present business model is a bit of a diversion; a form of adaptation. Military hardware for the masses! Super hardware instead of super motrad! Of all the drivers I've seen on hi tech bikes a small fraction of them take the bike beyond what a 20 or 30 year old bike could do. Sandy, you know about "making a statement with your bike". I almost always ask GS drivers if they take it on dirt. "Been on dirt?" So far about 10% responded yes.
     
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    sandy Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    I started a thread on another forum about Moto Guzzi switching to liquid cooling, which is what BMW are doing with their twins, and the reaction was sheer revulsion at the very thought.
    Some people won't touch a modern Guzzi simply because of fuel injection.
    OK this is off at a bit of a tangent in regard to the internet but the point is valid.
    That is to say, no matter how much better and efficient modern technology is, there are some of us that prefer to hold onto old fashioned values.
    OK, maybe Moto Guzzi have made a decision to retain tried and trusted technology, but where has that left them.
    One of the oldest motorcycle makers have been pretty much left behind and on very shaky ground as a result
    Just now I was asked if I see any Do Do's or Dinosaurs walking around ?
    Well yes I do actually.
    Only the other day I saw an ancient V50 Monza which by today's standards is prehistoric.
    Perhaps I should have told the guy he should move with the times and get a CBR600.
    Do you think superior performance, brakes, handling and aerodynamics would have made him enjoy his riding more ?
    No, neither do I.
    In fact I suspect that after 10 minutes he'd want his relic from the past back.
     
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    john zibell Moderator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    Lets just say we will all never agree on these things and leave it at that.
     
  18. Bill Hagan

    Bill Hagan GT Reference GT Famiglia

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    We all have our interests and skills. Some are pretty arcane. Mine is NOT wrenching, tho I enjoy dabbling. No, I am an authority of sorts on the development of military law, especially that of the Renaissance. That's a boutique niche, I assure you. :laugh:

    I tell you that because in the course of developing that arguably useless body of knowledge, I encountered in the original writings what many know from general reading, i.e., the collision of firearms and the longbow. Some of the devotees of the latter were hotly passionate of the superiority of the bow over the newfangled weapons. And, of course, the proponents of matchlocks and the like were equally hot over their arms. It is a great time machine to read these battles of words in their 16th century books. I am reminded of this every time I hear folks cursing FI, etc., in modern motorcycles, and technological change, e.g., the internet. The latter -- especially, the digization of many original manuscripts -- has made scholarly research reachable by those not blessed with academic grants.

    That said, while I'm not sure I want to give up FI or digitial research, enough long bows in the right hands are pretty powerful tools. :whistle:

    Bill
     
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    sandy Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    It would be interesting see what the internet usage is in percentage terms for "scholarly research" and compare it to porn.

    :lol:
     
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    john zibell Moderator Staff Member GT di Razza Pura

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    This thread is degrading to utter trash. This type of distraction really has no relevance to this forum. Locked.
     
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