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Yeah, This Would Do Just Fine
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Penis Rotor
GT Godfather!
While it might appeal to us George it won't appeal to the great unwashed who want pointy, humpy bikes.
Also that is simply another itteration of the spineframe with the early six speed box and the 'old' Hi-Cam and like it or not, all that technology is dead.
People complain a lot about the bulk and weight of the CARC and the single sided alloy casting that makes up the swingarm. The fact is it is VERY light and while I haven't actually compared them on scales I would bet a bus load of beehives that the CARC assembley is no heavier than the Spiney one AND it uses a true rising rate rear end. People I respect disagree but I cannot for the life of me see going back to a cantilever rear-end as anything but a retrograde step.
If we do, (And I really want it to happen!) get a 'Nuovo 'Sports' bike it will come with the CARC and not some addaptation of the earlier floating bevelbox and cantilever rear end. Apart from the fact that it isn't financially viable to try to produce *Another* family of machines for such a small brand the simple truth is that the CARC system is very, very good and once the oriinal problem caued by bean-counters opting for a cheapshit bearing was addressed the whole system has proven virtually bulletproof.
At the end of the day the VAST majority of people are more interested in the styling than the engineering. Don't believe me? Then why are they even remotely concerned about a machine that by all contempory standards is grossly overweight and 'Underpowered'. For only a few $ more they can get an RSV-4 and for a lot less they can get a Yamaha R1, both, in every 'Quantifiable' way far better motorbikes.
Yes, something like that would sell. In VERY limited numbers to fanatics. It certainly wouldn't sell in the numbers needed to justify the retro-engineering involved in making it. Yes it sucks. But sometimes pragmatism has to take the place of fantasy.......
Pete
Also that is simply another itteration of the spineframe with the early six speed box and the 'old' Hi-Cam and like it or not, all that technology is dead.
People complain a lot about the bulk and weight of the CARC and the single sided alloy casting that makes up the swingarm. The fact is it is VERY light and while I haven't actually compared them on scales I would bet a bus load of beehives that the CARC assembley is no heavier than the Spiney one AND it uses a true rising rate rear end. People I respect disagree but I cannot for the life of me see going back to a cantilever rear-end as anything but a retrograde step.
If we do, (And I really want it to happen!) get a 'Nuovo 'Sports' bike it will come with the CARC and not some addaptation of the earlier floating bevelbox and cantilever rear end. Apart from the fact that it isn't financially viable to try to produce *Another* family of machines for such a small brand the simple truth is that the CARC system is very, very good and once the oriinal problem caued by bean-counters opting for a cheapshit bearing was addressed the whole system has proven virtually bulletproof.
At the end of the day the VAST majority of people are more interested in the styling than the engineering. Don't believe me? Then why are they even remotely concerned about a machine that by all contempory standards is grossly overweight and 'Underpowered'. For only a few $ more they can get an RSV-4 and for a lot less they can get a Yamaha R1, both, in every 'Quantifiable' way far better motorbikes.
Yes, something like that would sell. In VERY limited numbers to fanatics. It certainly wouldn't sell in the numbers needed to justify the retro-engineering involved in making it. Yes it sucks. But sometimes pragmatism has to take the place of fantasy.......
Pete
While I agree with what Pete said for the most part, the bike pictured sports a raising rate linkage suspension set up. I have no idea what frame it uses or if it even uses one. It looks more like a styling exercise with no actual basis ( It looks like some private individual shoved a Guzzi motor in a Ducati ).
But I do like it and wish that Guzzi would build a modern version of that bike using current production parts.
And while the CARC is a little over weight and not as good as a proper swing arm set up like the one in the picture I realize it is what they have and it would not make $$$ sense to design a whole new set up for one bike.
But I do like it and wish that Guzzi would build a modern version of that bike using current production parts.
And while the CARC is a little over weight and not as good as a proper swing arm set up like the one in the picture I realize it is what they have and it would not make $$$ sense to design a whole new set up for one bike.
Isn't that just a MGS-01 with a retro cafe racer tank & seat and a QD Xbox exhaust under the gearbox?
I think it's unlikely Piaggio will shell out the beans for a new Guzzi sports bike when they've got the Aprilia RSV4 in their stable. I guess a bigger engined retro cafe racer is more likely for people who want more than a V7. Any more rumours of a Bellagio based "V9" or now they've apparently dropped the Bellagio is that now consigned to the history books? Or was that only ever a bit of wishful thinking in the first place?
I think it's unlikely Piaggio will shell out the beans for a new Guzzi sports bike when they've got the Aprilia RSV4 in their stable. I guess a bigger engined retro cafe racer is more likely for people who want more than a V7. Any more rumours of a Bellagio based "V9" or now they've apparently dropped the Bellagio is that now consigned to the history books? Or was that only ever a bit of wishful thinking in the first place?
geodoc
Cruisin' Guzzisti
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Yeah, obviously an MGS-01 with a style package. I lament that MG didn't take the opportunity to capitalize on their Daytona success a few years ago and offer a limited edition street version. Then again, a ghezzi brian gets close-ish.
Pete, never have ridden a CARC-equipped bike so no opinion what so ever. I guess I should qualify that a bit in that I have a reflexive proclivity to the mechanical design adage: "it should be as simple as possible, but no simpler". I suppose though that I've just learned to ride around the quirks of the pre-CARC Guzzis. This likely puts me in there with old guys that scoffed at hydraulic as opposed to friction dampers though. I'm an antiquarian! I admit it!
caveat: my high-speed touring rig is a 2002 Triumph Sprint RS. Would have bought a Guzzi (duh!) but the budget dictated a low buck target and scored this one w/ low miles in tip-top shape for $3200 - half what a same year Lemans wold have set me back. Gotta admit the Sprint's a very sweet ride - all the mod-cons. But like they say, you don't have just one pair of shoes, right? I've got the Green Unit for boy racer days, and a Loop project in the works for daisy-picking.
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Pete, never have ridden a CARC-equipped bike so no opinion what so ever. I guess I should qualify that a bit in that I have a reflexive proclivity to the mechanical design adage: "it should be as simple as possible, but no simpler". I suppose though that I've just learned to ride around the quirks of the pre-CARC Guzzis. This likely puts me in there with old guys that scoffed at hydraulic as opposed to friction dampers though. I'm an antiquarian! I admit it!
caveat: my high-speed touring rig is a 2002 Triumph Sprint RS. Would have bought a Guzzi (duh!) but the budget dictated a low buck target and scored this one w/ low miles in tip-top shape for $3200 - half what a same year Lemans wold have set me back. Gotta admit the Sprint's a very sweet ride - all the mod-cons. But like they say, you don't have just one pair of shoes, right? I've got the Green Unit for boy racer days, and a Loop project in the works for daisy-picking.
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