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1.5 hrs for break-in service on V7 Racer..?

Discussion in 'V7/V85/V9 Chat & Tech' started by Maj Steve Trevor, Jun 27, 2018.

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    Maj Steve Trevor Tuned and Synch'ed

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    What do you all think, can a full break in service be done in 1.5 hours? I took my 2015 V7 Racer in for it's first service, and when I picked it up the service manager said the total was $285. I said, "hmm that's not bad, can you give me a run down of everything you did?" He said sure, "full service, valve adjustment, fluids.." I asked if they re-torqued the cylinder heads, and he answered yes.

    Now, I like to give folks the benefit of the doubt, but it just seems to me unlikely that a full break in service could be done in only an hour and half. Am I wrong..?
     
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    john zibell Moderator Staff Member GT Famiglia

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    You can have fluids draining while you re-torque and adjust valves. Sounds like you have an efficient wrench.
     
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    Godfrey High Miler GT Famiglia

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    The break-in service is essentially a full service. And yes: A good, efficient mechanic can do it in an hour and a half, two hours tops, presuming the bike doesn't need to cool down. When I was doing all my own maintenance, I could do it in about the same time on an 850T or LeMans V... same work, nothing different other than adjust the carburetors if they need it. :)
     
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    The more you do something the quicker you can do it especially if you are lazy like me.
     
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    Sounds about right... 2.5 hours for me and that includes the first service plus replacing the fuel filter inside the gas tank (which I assume took about an hour). I gave the mechanic my checklist from the manual, so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he went through everything one by one.
     
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    Sounds like you got a great deal! What dealer was that?

    The Service Manual for a v7 iii says the first service is 100 minutes of labor, figure a v7 ii would be a bit more for the head re-torque.

    Seems my dealer rounded up, and quoted some special fairy dust as I was quoted ~$540 for the first service!
     
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    very fair but I doubt he went over all the fasteners so you better.
     
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    What Godfrey said about cool down.

    When did you drop off; when did they say it was ready?

    I am one of those "trust, but verify" sort of folks. If I had any doubts about a dealer's service department, I might leave a "reverse witness mark" on an appropriate fastener to see if it was touched. ;)

    Bill
     
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    It’s Lamoto in Arlington VA. I suppose I am inclined to wonder a bit — they just had a complete turnover in sales and service, apparently at the behest of aprilia. I Scheduled a service for Friday, and they didn’t actually get to it until Tuesday. And not great about communicating. I understand they are understaffed and probably just getting the shop organized, but it does make me wonder about the possibility of a rushed job, trying to catch up on work.
     
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    hody166 Just got it firing!

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    I had the first (1,000km) service on my 2016 V7 II Racer done 2 days ago. The shop charged me for 4 hours labour, telling me that it was nearer 5 hours. Total cost $611 Australian. From all accounts this is about 2 hours too long. The valve clearances were all within tolerance so there was no messing with them either. Thoughts appreciated??? Thanks.
     
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    A full first service on a V7II Racer would have included retorquing the head and setting the valves whether they needed it or not, because the composite gasket used on these engines up to the V7III and V9 requires time to compress to its final 'break in' dimensions. Whenever the heads are retorqued, the valves must be set again.

    The V7III and V9 have metal head gaskets that don't require retorquing the heads, which means that the valve adjustment is not disturbed and a simple valve clearance inspection is all that's required.

    So that's a bit more time for the V7II service compared to the V7III. What else they do to bring the total out to four plus hours, I couldn't tell you.
     
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    They didn't charge him for the time cooling off while oil was draining. No sync w/1 TB.
     
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    My name is Jeff Cruisin' Guzzisti

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    When I had my V7II serviced back in 2015 it cost $250au and that included all oils heads retorqued and valve adjustment.
    I can't believe they charged you $600 that's such a rip off.
    Maybe they got your bike confused with the other Italian DUCATI ?
     
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    My local dealer told me 4 hours and 540dollars. Seems like a bit much. The valves are so easy to adjust. Oh well I want the dealers first service. The rest might just happen in my garage
     
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    Chris Guenther Just got it firing!

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    I just booked my first service for my 17 V7 III, and asked if they check the valves. They said they won't look at them unless they're ticking.
     
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    We are 2.5 hrs and we do above and we go far and beyond the basics based on the knowledge I have accumulated with working on dozens on these bikes, my rental fleet, and this Forum. We are also ~1/4 mile from the Surfliner train station at the Anaheim Stadium stop. Just a thought for you.
     
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    Ugh. If so, I hope they were done on the PDI for your sake... because it’s when they aren’t making noise is when it’s an issue.
     
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    Can't say I like the sound of that. I was planning to bring the bike in for its first service, and do the maintenance after that myself. I guess I'll be learning how to check and adjust the valves sooner than later.
     
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    I wouldn't let them put gas in my tank. they obviously know nothing about Guzzis.
     
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    Chris Guenther Just got it firing!

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    Got my bike back from it's first service the other day... .55hrs 20190526_120147.jpg
     

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