Griso 8V crashbar, anyone? The Stucchi one sucks!!!

[moto]

Childish?

I was trying to help the original poster. To my surprise, no one had suggested any actual alternative to his Stucchi crashbar, so I suggested H&B.

You replied that you had already answered his question (about an alternative), but you hadn't, so I said so, mostly because your response was directed specifically to me.

As for reliability, if that wasn't the point of your extended comments about your own crash bar, I don't see what else you meant to convey. And if you didn't think your experience had some relevance to the reliability of other Stucchi crash bars, there would be no point in your commenting at all. So I took your comments to be about the reliability of Stucchi crash bars as a whole.

Perhaps you took it personally when I originally noted that no responses to the actual question had been posted in four pages. You shouldn't have. I waited as long as I did to respond to the question because I was unsure whether H&B would fit on the G1200, and was just stating my genuine surprise that no one more knowledgeable had replied.

Calling people names is, well, childish.

Lighten up.

Moto

 

[Pascal]

The H&B WILL FIT on the G12 not only because it says so in the instructions, but because its anchor points are the same on both bikes.

 

[Paddy Field]

Maybe an alternative I gleaned from the AdvRider Stelvio thread. Not a crashbar, but good looking protection from the odd tip over, made from carbon fibre/kevlar.

 

[Goodvibes]

Maybe an alternative I gleaned from the AdvRider Stelvio thread. Not a crashbar, but good looking protection from the odd tip over, made from carbon fibre/kevlar.

Thanks for sharing, but that will do nothing to avoid impact/shear forces on the valve cover and head. Looks purty though!

 

[moto]

The H&B WILL FIT on the G12 not only because it says so in the instructions, but because its anchor points are the same on both bikes.

Good to know, thanks.

Let's see, I've now got the H&B crash bars, the Termignoni, the Guzzi fly screen, the National Cycle screen, the Guzzi soft panniers, the Guzzi small tank bag -- all of which fit the 1200. Perfect justification for ditching the 1100 and buying a Griso SE!

I'm sorely tempted.

 

[Bill Hagan]

Maybe an alternative I gleaned from the AdvRider Stelvio thread. Not a crashbar, but good looking protection from the odd tip over, made from carbon fibre/kevlar.

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Thanks. That's interesting. I ordinarily avoid c/f. Haven't looked that item up, but c/f generally seems overpriced or at least costly and -- to me, somehow -- has connotations of HD "chrome." :laugh:

Anyway, I'll look into that.

I hesitate to enter the H&B v. Stucchi guard issue comma but.

My brother put H&B on his B11 at my recommendation. Was disappointed to learn that a no-speed driveway tipover fractured the bar at a weld. Pix available if desired. Had it rewelded, but who knows. They do look nice, but I have lost my original confidence in their capapbility to do the job the $250 or so paid 'em to do.

Bill

 

[GTM®]

Maybe an alternative I gleaned from the AdvRider Stelvio thread. Not a crashbar, but good looking protection from the odd tip over, made from carbon fibre/kevlar.

Thanks for sharing, but that will do nothing to avoid impact/shear forces on the valve cover and head. Looks purty though!

Indeed, it certainly is bling-worthy and perhaps will help with rock-chips to the valve cover, but worth nothing even in a simple tip over.

 

[moto]

I hesitate to enter the H&B v. Stucchi guard issue comma but.

My brother put H&B on his B11 at my recommendation. Was disappointed to learn that a no-speed driveway tipover fractured the bar at a weld. Pix available if desired. Had it rewelded, but who knows. They do look nice, but I have lost my original confidence in their capapbility to do the job the $250 or so paid 'em to do.

Bill

Egad. Maybe I'll just toss them and work on not dropping the bike.

But let me ask, did the bar still provide any protection after the weld fracture?

Moto

 

[Bill Hagan]

I hesitate to enter the H&B v. Stucchi guard issue comma but.

My brother put H&B on his B11 at my recommendation. Was disappointed to learn that a no-speed driveway tipover fractured the bar at a weld. Pix available if desired. Had it rewelded, but who knows. They do look nice, but I have lost my original confidence in their capability to do the job the $250 or so paid 'em to do.

Bill

Egad. Maybe I'll just toss them and work on not dropping the bike.

But let me ask, did the bar still provide any protection after the weld fracture?

Moto

Good question.

The bar provided none, I think, because it completely collapsed, tho it may have slowed things. Anyway, also cannot answer definitively, as the rear H&B hard bag -- and, as it did not completely turn because of the in-place rollover, the handlebar, too -- kept jug from kissing the pavement.

I think I'll hunt up the pix and post 'em here. And, lest I or others make too much of this, I also know that this sort of thing can be a one-off event limited to one bad weld on one of thousands of otherwise good ones. Not only that, but a tip-over might also be a more jarring impact to a bar weld than a bump and slide, so who knows. As I have said elsewhere, what I know about metallurgy and similar sciences would fit into a thimble. I spent most of high school science classes looking at Marilyn Basham's legs ... and don't view that as wasted time, btw. :lol:

Bill

 

[Greyo]

...Maybe I'll just toss them and work on not dropping the bike...

At this point, I'm leaning toward the same conclusion.
I hate to take the chance though...

BTW, Is there any info available on what is the likelyhood of incurring in severe damage to the engine (e.g., compromising the rocker assembly) when dropping or falling with a "naked" G8V?

Of course, I'm well aware that not all falls/tip-overs are created equal - just thinking that, maybe, it could be useful to compile info directly from G8V owners who have already had the unfortunate experience of either dropping their bike or falling off while riding it.

 

[ghezzi]

On crash protection I have 2 points I would like to make.
1. Apart from loving our Italian mistresses and wanting to protect them, if you have paid for full comprehensive insurance, why spend more of your money to save the insurance company spending theirs. They don't give discounts or rebates for your efforts and are more likely to up your premium if you have an "agreed value".

2. In the racing world of superbikes and Moto GP2 (in line 4 cylinders) there has been of late a propensity for these bikes to puncture engine cases in a fall. The spewing forth of lubricants has then caused major catasrophes. So they now MUST have engine case protectors, most of which is made from Carbon Fibre.

Thin & light decorative carbon has not much strength, but layer it up and at 5mm thick it is just about the toughest shit on the planet, and it still weighs very little.

I commented on this forum that the Carc protector guard looks piss weak and flimsy, but Todd assures me they have been crash tested and proven worthy. :?

Finally, my Phil-Ossa-fee is, if I can't get exactly what I want "off the shelf", design & fabricate or pay some other sod to do it for me.

 

[Goodvibes]

why spend more of your money to save the insurance company spending theirs. They don't give discounts or rebates for your efforts and are more likely to up your premium if you have an "agreed value".

Because insurance is for catastrophic losses . . . . a tip over doesn't qualify.

 

[Greyo]

...my Phil-Ossa-fee is, if I can't get exactly what I want "off the shelf", design & fabricate or pay some other sod to do it for me.

I agree with you on this one - that is why I wish enough G8V owners expressed interest in motivating Todd to put his hands and brains into developing a cool and reliable GuzziTech Griso crashbar :whistle:...

...of course, giving him plenty of time to get back in full shape after his recent, unfortunate case study of the effects of high G-forces on impact inch:

 

[Goodvibes]

...my Phil-Ossa-fee is, if I can't get exactly what I want "off the shelf", design & fabricate or pay some other sod to do it for me.

I agree with you on this one - that is why I wish enough G8V owners expressed interest in motivating Todd to put his hands and brains into developing a cool and reliable GuzziTech Griso crashbar :whistle:...

The crash bar design for the Griso pre-clone (my long-ago deceased '81 Honda GL500 SilverWing, a bike way ahead of its time back then)is similar to the Stucchi with the two-point mount. Biggest difference was the main bar was lower and had an additional riser loop that protected the valve cover specifically. I remember it was a very sturdy design and completely protected the engine when I slid down the highway sideways at 60mph! The crash bar did not deform but did get scraped up pretty bad. hmy:

 

[Goodvibes]

Biggest difference was the main bar was lower and had an additional riser loop that protected the valve cover specifically.

Found pics of the SilverWing bar designs:

 

[Pascal]

The idea of owning a Griso for most of us is the looks...
Those crash bars, while very effective (I mean, why not a roll cage around the motor), will destroy the awesome look of this bike...
No thanks for me, I'll take my chances.
On a Stelvio on the other end...

 

[ett]

Bummer; I to was suckered into buying a set of these Stucchi crashbars.
And I have to agree with the op; they SUCK !

After only two months and 5,500 miles. The right side has rusted and broken:

I'm hoping the dealer I bought them from will make good by either a replacement or (preferably) a full refund.

 

[GTM®]

OK, should I look into doing these correctly to offer up to those in need?

 

[Greyo]

OK, should I look into doing these correctly to offer up to those in need?

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES :!:

ABSO-FREAKIN-LUTELY :!: :!: :!: :mrgreen:

 

[ett]

OK, should I look into doing these correctly to offer up to those in need?

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES :!:

ABSO-FREAKIN-LUTELY :!: :!: :!: :mrgreen:

I second that motion.