Insert user code & enter code

[Scutle]

I have 2008 breva 11, I've 2keys the key I use says (enter user code) on the dash when I put the key in and start the bike with no issues the second key I don't use but if I do it says (enter code) so I type in 00000 and the bike starts it asks each time I start the bike using this key, can someone explain why and what do I have to do so I'm not entering 00000 each time when using this key?

 

[john zibell]

If you upgrade your account you can get the Breva 1100 General Service Manual In the Downloads section. https://www.guzzitech.com/forums/threads/user-account-upgrade-donations.14025/ It explains user code function and how to add the key with the user code. Recommed setting the user code the same as the Service code Service codes are listed here https://www.guzzitech.com/forums/threads/service-codes.917/

 

[GTM®]

In addition to what John said above, and noted at the top of every page, please search and read before starting a new post on a topic well covered. It's time consuming to repetitively answer the same questions...

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[scottmastrocinque]

Scott's How To Recover The 5 Digit Security Code

An update to my situation... The 2nd key has been found. My dash does NOT ask for a key code when first coming up (with the lost key). As the bike is buried in the shed at the moment (being winter here and all), I've not yet tried the 2nd key yet. From reading here (and on other Guzzi boards)...

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[Scutle]

In addition to what John said above, and noted at the top of every page, please search and read before starting a new post on a topic well covered. It's time consuming to repetitively answer the same questions...

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I've used the search bar and read all the posts but not getting it, if someone sticks to my post topic

 

[scottmastrocinque]

I've used the search bar and read all the posts but not getting it, if someone sticks to my post topic

COME ON…

THE VERY FIRST POST OF THE LINK I GAVE YOU EXPLAINS KEYS AND THE COMPUTER DASH COMPLETELY. AS WELL AS WHY IT IS ASKING YOU TO ENTER THE CODE FOR THE ONE KEY!

YOU ONLY NEED READ IT COMPLETELY.

 

[scottmastrocinque]

THIS IS THE POST THAT COMES UP IF YOU CLICK THE HYPERLINK I GAVE TO YOU…


I don’t know where you have been reading but you’ve got it completely wrong.

I cannot count the number of times I’ve explained this but I will make a note to remember this for reference.

The dash is a very simple computer. It uses an antenna in the ignition switch to read a transponder chip which is encased in the key head.

Each key has a unique transponder code. This is different from the physical cut in the key.

CLONED KEYS are exactly that. Both the physical cut of the key AND the transponder code, is completely duplicated from one key to another. THIS IS NOT HAVING TWO KEYS!

This is having TWO OF THE SAME KEY from the dashboard’s point of view. CLONED KEYS look identical to it. They are indistinguishable from each other.

The rubber tag or plastic code card, with the number on it, originally attached to your original keys, is the key CUT CODE. It gives information to a locksmith on how to cut the groves.

The dash is capable of recording 4 unique transponder codes. So, this means that 4 different keys can be programmed into the dash memory. Each of those 4 keys will have the exact same groove cut into them so they fit into the ignition and lock tumblers, but they must have different and unique transponder codes.

The dash requires a User Code to be entered when it was first put into service. It asks for a new code everytime the motorcycle is started until one is entered, then it asks no more.

This code serves a programming function as well as an override function. 2 very different functions

If you have a cut key (one that obviously fits the tumblers), but its transponder is not programmed to the dash, then you can insert the key. The dash will recognize that it is an unregistered transponder (key) and ask you for your User Code. You can then enter the stored user code, and this will override the dash security and allow the unprogrammed key to start the engine. It will also allow you to then program the key to the dash.

If you have lost the user code, you can use the function inside the dash menu, to recover the user code. It requires two exactly cut keys with different transponder codes which have already been previously programmed into the dash memory.

(Remember, you can have up to 4 different transponder coded keys programmed at the same time in the dash.).

So when the menu function of Code Recover is selected, it will ask you for the first key, which you insert and turn on and off, then it will ask you for the second key which you do the same thing. It will then allow you to enter a new code which it will then store in the dash as the new User Code.

——————-

So, in your case…if you have found the second key, it MUST BE ALREADY PROGRAMMED IN THE DASH or it will not start the motorcycle without the User Code.

The ONLY WAY an unprogrammed key will start the motorcycle is with the stored User Code.

You can defeat this whole security system code thing and start the motorcycle by unplugging the dash but none of the dash functions will work and if you plug the dash in on a running motorcycle, the engine will again be stopped and disabled from starting again, instantly.

There is no method available to any Moto Guzzi dealer whatsoever, to remove a user code from the dashboard.

There is no method to reprogram the dash to erase a user code by any Moto Guzzi dealer.

Carmo in the Netherlands, actually systematically opens the dashboard and directly jumpers onto the chip where the user code is stored, and then reads the stored data in the chip, literally bit by bit on the chip. They then reseal the dash and reprogram new keys and/or provide the stored user code to the owner and guarantee their dash repair and reseal for 1 year.

This is how the system actually works.

We should just make this explanation a Sticky for reference. It comes up all the time as motorcycles change hands without keys or codes.

 

[scottmastrocinque]

Your 2nd key has obviously never had its transponder chip registered to your dashboard, or it is a “dumb” (physical cut but no transponder) key without a transponder chip in it.

 

[Scutle]

THIS IS THE POST THAT COMES UP IF YOU CLICK THE HYPERLINK I GAVE TO YOU…


I don’t know where you have been reading but you’ve got it completely wrong.

I cannot count the number of times I’ve explained this but I will make a note to remember this for reference.

The dash is a very simple computer. It uses an antenna in the ignition switch to read a transponder chip which is encased in the key head.

Each key has a unique transponder code. This is different from the physical cut in the key.

CLONED KEYS are exactly that. Both the physical cut of the key AND the transponder code, is completely duplicated from one key to another. THIS IS NOT HAVING TWO KEYS!

This is having TWO OF THE SAME KEY from the dashboard’s point of view. CLONED KEYS look identical to it. They are indistinguishable from each other.

The rubber tag or plastic code card, with the number on it, originally attached to your original keys, is the key CUT CODE. It gives information to a locksmith on how to cut the groves.

The dash is capable of recording 4 unique transponder codes. So, this means that 4 different keys can be programmed into the dash memory. Each of those 4 keys will have the exact same groove cut into them so they fit into the ignition and lock tumblers, but they must have different and unique transponder codes.

The dash requires a User Code to be entered when it was first put into service. It asks for a new code everytime the motorcycle is started until one is entered, then it asks no more.

This code serves a programming function as well as an override function. 2 very different functions

If you have a cut key (one that obviously fits the tumblers), but its transponder is not programmed to the dash, then you can insert the key. The dash will recognize that it is an unregistered transponder (key) and ask you for your User Code. You can then enter the stored user code, and this will override the dash security and allow the unprogrammed key to start the engine. It will also allow you to then program the key to the dash.

If you have lost the user code, you can use the function inside the dash menu, to recover the user code. It requires two exactly cut keys with different transponder codes which have already been previously programmed into the dash memory.

(Remember, you can have up to 4 different transponder coded keys programmed at the same time in the dash.).

So when the menu function of Code Recover is selected, it will ask you for the first key, which you insert and turn on and off, then it will ask you for the second key which you do the same thing. It will then allow you to enter a new code which it will then store in the dash as the new User Code.

——————-

So, in your case…if you have found the second key, it MUST BE ALREADY PROGRAMMED IN THE DASH or it will not start the motorcycle without the User Code.

The ONLY WAY an unprogrammed key will start the motorcycle is with the stored User Code.

You can defeat this whole security system code thing and start the motorcycle by unplugging the dash but none of the dash functions will work and if you plug the dash in on a running motorcycle, the engine will again be stopped and disabled from starting again, instantly.

There is no method available to any Moto Guzzi dealer whatsoever, to remove a user code from the dashboard.

There is no method to reprogram the dash to erase a user code by any Moto Guzzi dealer.

Carmo in the Netherlands, actually systematically opens the dashboard and directly jumpers onto the chip where the user code is stored, and then reads the stored data in the chip, literally bit by bit on the chip. They then reseal the dash and reprogram new keys and/or provide the stored user code to the owner and guarantee their dash repair and reseal for 1 year.

This is how the system actually works.

We should just make this explanation a Sticky for reference. It comes up all the time as motorcycles change hands without keys or codes.

When entering the second key do I turn it on and off ?

 

[Scutle]

I inserted the second key it's not recognized,,,, but I can enter 00000 each time and it starts why???

 

[scottmastrocinque]

I inserted the second key it's not recognized,,,, but I can enter 00000 each time and it starts why???

I've been trying to help you. You are fighting me every step of the way.

You are not reading and just want to be spoon fed answers. This is not going to happen here from me.

Look at PARAGRAPH #11 above in the text (Post #7) which I even copied and pasted for you.

It is UNDERLINED. It explains exactly why.



"If you have a cut key (one that obviously fits the tumblers), but its transponder is not programmed to the dash, then you can insert the key. The dash will recognize that it is an unregistered transponder (key) and ask you for your User Code. You can then enter the stored user code, and this will override the dash security and allow the unprogrammed key to start the engine. It will also allow you to then program the key to the dash."



I know you just got here, but you HAVE TO PUT FORTH SOME EFFORT HERE.

This is not a "spoon feed you the answers" type setup. I've handed you all the answers over an hour ago. You have to read carefully and it explains everything. I cannot re-type it again here just because you refuse to read.

 

[scottmastrocinque]

Before you go any further, you really need to READ the USERS MANUAL. It explains all of the functionality of your motorcycle.

Full model documentations are available in the DOWNLOADS section available to supporting members with a (minimum) donation in the account upgrade.

As you seem very confused or unwilling to read, I will offer you a gift today.

Here is a hyperlink to my personal Google Drive. Click it and you can download the Owners Manual for your motorcycle.

The DIAGNOSTICS Menu in your dashboard, requires a Service Code to access it. Here they are.

Moto Guzzi Service Codes:

Breva 850 & 1100 -- 36421 or 36424; With joystick: 28315

1200 Sport -- 36421 - For models with button control, (i.e. like the Griso set-up) --OR-- 28315 - for the 'Joystick' type (like the Norge/Breva 11 etc.).

2007-10 Norge 1200 2V & 2012+ 4V -- 28315

Griso 850 , 1100 & 1200 -- 12425

Griso 8V -- 12425

Bellagio -- 21959

Stelvio -- 10695

1400 California -- 34534 With special thanks to kiwi dave